Loan Watch Joe Rodon -Leeds United

[Trix]

It makes more sense to keep CCV for the first half of the season because he can play in the Europa League and league cup which are the games where we will need to rotate our defenders. He is more than good enough to play against all our group opponents.

If we absolutely believe Rodon has elite level potential we should sign him but this is a good opportunity to look at Carter-Vickers also.

If you compare Rodon and CCV on whoscored last season Rodon had an average score of 6.94 and CCV on loan at Luton had a rating of 6.93. This may mean nothing of course but it does show Carter-Vickers is a decent player in his own right.

Don't think he'll ever be anything more than a championship, lower end PL player tbh. He's being over hyped because he's one of ours. If Foyth isn't good enough atm in Jose's eyes then CCV certainly isn't.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Don't think he'll ever be anything more than a championship, lower end PL player tbh. He's being over hyped because he's one of ours. If Foyth isn't good enough atm in Jose's eyes then CCV certainly isn't.

In fairness, based on the very little pitch time both CCV and Foyth have had, CCV looks far more robust and much more focused.

 

[Trix]

In fairness, based on the very little pitch time both CCV and Foyth have had, CCV looks far more robust and much more focused.

You judging CCV playing championship games v Foyth playing PL?

 

[BringBack_leGin]

You judging CCV playing championship games v Foyth playing PL?

Admittedly not a fair way to compare but it’s the only way we have. It’s not that’s I think he’s good with by the way, but I do think he’s down that he at least isn’t affected by the frailties which I’d suggest will always prevent Foyth succeeding in this league. But I am very much basing this on the very few times I took the opportunity to watch him play/ a friend or two for us, so I accept that my argument is severely flawed in that respect.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

It makes more sense to keep CCV for the first half of the season because he can play in the Europa League and league cup which are the games where we will need to rotate our defenders. He is more than good enough to play against all our group opponents.

If we absolutely believe Rodon has elite level potential we should sign him but this is a good opportunity to look at Carter-Vickers also.

If you compare Rodon and CCV on whoscored last season Rodon had an average score of 6.94 and CCV on loan at Luton had a rating of 6.93. This may mean nothing of course but it does show Carter-Vickers is a decent player in his own right.

He hasn't got a squad number.

 

[OPModric]

not really, especially if the loan back deal has a January recall option. I’d gladly loan him back if it gets the deal done at more favorable terms. This one is about the longer term.

Agree January is ok. Could open up for trying to get a more established CB with Rodon recall as fallback.

 

[roy@SC]

Don't think he'll ever be anything more than a championship, lower end PL player tbh. He's being over hyped because he's one of ours. If Foyth isn't good enough atm in Jose's eyes then CCV certainly isn't.

I'd agree with that - when have seen him that's about the level of player I believe he will be. From limited time watching japhet for example it was very obvious to me he has a far higher ceiling than the likes of CCV injuries permitting.

 

[yid-down-under]

He hasn't got a squad number.

he did in our first Europa league qualifier

 

[Joshua]

Let’s be real CCV isn’t playing for us this season. Jose will most likely play Davies centre half before CCV. Or Fagan-Walcott when he gets fit again.

 

[fridgemagnet]

It’s easy to forget how young CCV is, he’s actually two months Rodon’s junior. I actually think he’d get into a fair few premiership defence from what I’ve seen, the never mind Championship. I just think that we might see Rodon as the better bet long term because he’s more in keeping with that Laporte/ Pique modern centre backs of being very rangy and aerially dominant but with ease on the ball and a good passing range. He could probably pair nicely with any of our current centre backs, and if Tanganga is viewed as a long term starter then someone with that height could make up for JTs shortcomings in this area. A Pique and Puyol partnership in the making.

The team selections suggest to me that Alderweireid is no longer Mourinho’s preferred option for the matches against top attacks, so we’re probably succession planning for him as at 32 next summer he’ll likely want to go somewhere where he’ll start for the rest of his career and if we’re left with Dier, Sanchez, a further developed Tanganga and Rodon with a year in this league under his belt then we’ll be back in the same situation as this summer, I.e. it’d be nice to get an elite level centre back but not the end of the world if we don’t. Swap Rodon and CCV around in that equation and I’m not sure the club would feel the same way.

Sorry just my opinion on the bolded bit, I've said it elsewhere but I think we're going to see José selecting teams more around the opposition and the surrounding fixtures rather than a set first XI, he may play most matches unchanged for spells but I do think we're going to see more rotation than we've been used to* I certainly think it would have been the case had we got Skyrim.

I may be totally wrong on this but it's a hunch.

*Saying that under peak Poch I think we went something daft like 99 games without the same lineup and I always felt it was a factor in why we came up short in the league, I always think early on in a conventional season (and on a run in where possible) you should play the same lineup (injuries permitting)
Just my onion

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Sorry just my opinion on the bolded bit, I've said it elsewhere but I think we're going to see José selecting teams more around the opposition and the surrounding fixtures rather than a set first XI, he may play most matches unchanged for spells but I do think we're going to see more rotation than we've been used to* I certainly think it would have been the case had we got Skyrim.

I may be totally wrong on this but it's a hunch.

*Saying that under peak Poch I think we went something daft like 99 games without the same lineup and I always felt it was a factor in why we came up short in the league, I always think early on in a conventional season (and on a run in where possible) you should play the same lineup (injuries permitting)
Just my onion

I certainly agree we’re going to see rotation and also we’ll see players picked depending options, for example, not Alderweireid v top attacks ?.

 

[kent brockman]

The team selections suggest to me that Alderweireid is no longer Mourinho’s preferred option for the matches against top attacks, so we’re probably succession planning for him as at 32 next summer he’ll likely want to go somewhere where he’ll start for the rest of his career and if we’re left with Dier, Sanchez, a further developed Tanganga and Rodon with a year in this league under his belt then we’ll be back in the same situation as this summer, I.e. it’d be nice to get an elite level centre back but not the end of the world if we don’t. Swap Rodon and CCV around in that equation and I’m not sure the club would feel the same way.

Think you are right that Toby probably has fallen down the pecking order.
Still believe that he will see out his contract though, as I doubt that Serie A teams (or Ajax) would match his current wages.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Think you are right that Toby probably has fallen down the pecking order.
Still believe that he will see out his contract though, as I doubt that Serie A teams (or Ajax) would match his current wages.

In guess it depends what he’s after. There’sa World Cup not far away after all.

 

[matty74]

In guess it depends what he’s after. There’sa World Cup not far away after all.

He’s still our best central defender even now

 

[Shanks]

I wouldn’t get too hung up on formations of pairings.
The whole squad will be used to its fullest this year, I’m positive of it.

mate have never been used to being able to use a whole squad, it’s the start of big ‘club’ mentality, to win and challenge on ALL fronts the squad is absolutely critical.

we usually see an end of season burn out, poor form, butJM knows and will have the squad prepped that this is big picture management.

preferred players, will be judged upon depending on who we play and the tactics deployed for that game.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

West Ham close to completing £18m swoop for Brentford winger Benrahma

West Ham are confident of ending their transfer window on a high by completing an £18million deal for Brentford dangerman Said Benrahma.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Tottenham are expected to sign Swansea City central defender Joe Rodon, who played for Wales against England last Thursday.

Swansea initially valued Rodon at £18m with Spurs offering £8m, but a compromise figure of around £13m is likely, allowing Spurs to let Cameron Carter-Vickers go on loan.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Leicester ready to move for £20m-rated Joe Rodon after Spurs failed with bid

LEICESTER have joined the race for Swansea defender Joe Rodon — but want to wait to buy him. The Welsh club are pondering a sale before the domestic transfer window shuts this week. But Foxes boss …

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FOXES ON HUNT Leicester prepare transfer bid for Swansea’s £20m-rated Joe Rodon after Spurs offered just £7m

 

[Montalbano]

Leicester prepare transfer bid for Swansea’s £20m-rated Joe Rodon after Spurs offered just £7m

 

[rio bryan]

It’s easy to forget how young CCV is, he’s actually two months Rodon’s junior. I actually think he’d get into a fair few premiership defence from what I’ve seen, the never mind Championship. I just think that we might see Rodon as the better bet long term because he’s more in keeping with that Laporte/ Pique modern centre backs of being very rangy and aerially dominant but with ease on the ball and a good passing range. He could probably pair nicely with any of our current centre backs, and if Tanganga is viewed as a long term starter then someone with that height could make up for JTs shortcomings in this area. A Pique and Puyol partnership in the making.

The team selections suggest to me that Alderweireid is no longer Mourinho’s preferred option for the matches against top attacks, so we’re probably succession planning for him as at 32 next summer he’ll likely want to go somewhere where he’ll start for the rest of his career and if we’re left with Dier, Sanchez, a further developed Tanganga and Rodon with a year in this league under his belt then we’ll be back in the same situation as this summer, I.e. it’d be nice to get an elite level centre back but not the end of the world if we don’t. Swap Rodon and CCV around in that equation and I’m not sure the club would feel the same way.

What has put a spanner in the works somewhat is that Sanchez hasn't reached his full potential, we paid 42m for him to be Toby's/Jans long term replacement and to be that elite level centre back and unfortunately the plan hasn't worked.

 

[SpursTillIDie1882]

Leicester make me laugh, they could really do a Leeds, their wage bill is circa 70-75% of turnover. Rodon doesnt make sense, they have Soyenchu(sp) how will be a main CB, They just paid 40M for fofana which is a huge sum for a young chap, he is brought in to be the main pairing with Soyenchu(sp) longterm.. Evan is 32 an probably a yr left in him and Fofana will be main CB going forward and Morgan is 36 now so this will be his last year.

To be a back up at LCFC or Spurs you'd most likely choose Spurs right now mainly / especially if you get to work wit JM, personally i think agents/swansea might be playing a game here to maybe get us/levy to pay more cash or anything extra, however ITK have said money aint an issue with this one, else its probably media hearing LCFC have enquired which maybe true and the rest is poetic licence media love to add on , especially when it come to us