Harry Winks - Leicester City

[wrd]

Well we've had 2 transfer windows to rectify it so guessing that it's not such a big deal as some fans make out...

Personally I don't think a DM is key, we need to improve as a team defensively, Jose made a massive point of this in December.

I'd be amazed if Poch was going for the diamond with Winks at the base, Ndombele, Lo Celso and Dele at the tip of it with Son and Kane. I felt we needed more a Gueye type in DM but somebody on here pointed out the Argentine diamond tends to have more of Regista type of midfielder like Jorginho at the base.

 

[Ronwol196061]

I'd be amazed if Poch was going for the diamond with Winks at the base, Ndombele, Lo Celso and Dele at the tip of it with Son and Kane. I felt we needed more a Gueye type in DM but somebody on here pointed out the Argentine diamond tends to have more of Regista type of midfielder like Jorginho at the base.

Thanks just took a look at Gueye,pretty good.

 

[dtxspurs]

Well we've had 2 transfer windows to rectify it so guessing that it's not such a big deal as some fans make out...

Personally I don't think a DM is key, we need to improve as a team defensively, Jose made a massive point of this in December.

Ally Gold said we’d likely be in for Soumare at DM in the Summer. It’s clear to see a ball winner in the middle of the pitch would help us a ton.

I’m assuming last Summer Poch hopes Dier would come back to form, then Mourinho did the same. Every top club in the world plays with a DM, there’s no reason Spurs would be the ones to be able to knock that trend.

 

[Ronwol196061]

Ally Gold said we’d likely be in for Soumare at DM in the Summer. It’s clear to see a ball winner in the middle of the pitch would help us a ton.

I’m assuming last Summer Poch hopes Dier would come back to form, then Mourinho did the same. Every top club in the world plays with a DM, there’s no reason Spurs would be the ones to be able to knock that trend.

Soumare looks good but also a big NDombele-ish, Is he a great defender?

 

[Locotoro]

Ally Gold said we’d likely be in for Soumare at DM in the Summer. It’s clear to see a ball winner in the middle of the pitch would help us a ton.

I’m assuming last Summer Poch hopes Dier would come back to form, then Mourinho did the same. Every top club in the world plays with a DM, there’s no reason Spurs would be the ones to be able to knock that trend.

I'd question whether this is actually an accurate reflection of the current trend in football. It's definitely worth examining if the top 5 teams actually use out and out DMs like the Makelele that we were used to seeing (I did start looking at a few top sides but then had my attention taken by something else).

To me it looks like the trend is a couple of players, sometimes two or even three, able to play a box to box role across the middle. It would be like GLC, WInks and TN all playing in a three. You're going to get defensive coverage, support to the front line, creative passing, physical tenacity and a goal scoring threat. Similar to Liverpool's midfield three, Real Madrid's midfield three (any 3 of Kroos, Casimiro, Valverde and Modric) and Barcelona (Vidal, Arthur, de Jong, Busquets) probably the most defensive of the lot and also lacks balance.

This is purely observations and not intended to refute your points

 

[smallsnc]

If I had to choose one of Lo Celso, Ndombele or Winks to play CM alongside a proper DCM then Harry would not be the first choice for me.

If I to choose two of the three to play without a DCM, Harry would be the first of the two chosen for me.

 

[McFlash]

How about he's just 'good' and is capable of a game like that every once in while, but that isn't the consistent outcome and his criticisms have been completely valid this season. He doesn't make enough tackles/interceptions to play DM and doesn't do enough offensively to justify a spot over Lo Celso and a fit Ndombele. But he's a great player to have in the squad.

I understand but I honestly think he's capable of that sort of performance in every game and as he's growing older, I think we'll see more of it.
It's hard to criticise him too much considering how shit we've been as a team for the last year.
I think a midfield 3 of him, Lo Celso and Ndombele could be a really good thing.

 

[smallsnc]

Are you honestly saying you think Winks is on par with GLC and Ndombele? deary me. I don't need pass success rates to see that GLC are Ndombele are both far better on the ball than Winks is. Jesus man use your eyes. What on earth do you watch? This denial from you just shows you are utterly clueless. There is little point reading the rest of your post if you are sitting there with a straight face and denying that GLC and Ndombele are a class above Winks, frankly I am embarrassed for you.
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Ability on the ball is only part of what makes a player. I do think Lo Celso and Ndombele ae more offensive minded but Winks is that glue guy that holds all the pieces together. Most times those players are vastly underrated and are not appreciated until they are out or gone and it is then that the holes in the others games start to show up more.

 

[Primativ]

Are you honestly saying you think Winks is on par with GLC and Ndombele? deary me. I don't need pass success rates to see that GLC are Ndombele are both far better on the ball than Winks is. Jesus man use your eyes. What on earth do you watch? This denial from you just shows you are utterly clueless. There is little point reading the rest of your post if you are sitting there with a straight face and denying that GLC and Ndombele are a class above Winks, frankly I am embarrassed for you.

Ability on the ball is only part of what makes a player. I do think Lo Celso and Ndombele ae more offensive minded but Winks is that glue guy that holds all the pieces together. Most times those players are vastly underrated and are not appreciated until they are out or gone and it is then that the holes in the others games start to show up more.
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He isn’t a glue that holds anything together. Even GLC looks like he is better off the ball than Winks is. He just needs more time to get upto to the intensity.

And just no. Please don’t make out that Winks does hidden things that people can’t appreciate, he’s very average 90% of the time. Come back to me when he puts a proper run of form together, which he’s never done for Spurs. He puts in a good performance every 6 months. Which is why if you read this thread you can clearly see when Winks has played well because people start piping up about it, and it’s incredibly infrequent. If he played well consistently this thread wouldn’t look like it does. That’s reality.

 

[McFlash]

A lass I know also doesn't rate Winks at all, she just cant see what he brings to the team.
Her favourite player is Lucas.

I've said all I need to say!

 

[wrd]

I think Winks suffered from the upheaval of the past 8 months, we were chopping and changing formation and responsibilities of each player. I'd also argue that not a single player in our team has escaped from suffering during this 8 month period. There's not a single player I can look at in our team and say yeah they've been consistently fantastic. The closest to consistent was Sissoko and I'd say he wasn't fantastic but worked very hard for the team. Jose is starting to define roles and we will see players start to find that consistency imo.

 

[dtxspurs]

I'd question whether this is actually an accurate reflection of the current trend in football. It's definitely worth examining if the top 5 teams actually use out and out DMs like the Makelele that we were used to seeing (I did start looking at a few top sides but then had my attention taken by something else).

To me it looks like the trend is a couple of players, sometimes two or even three, able to play a box to box role across the middle. It would be like GLC, WInks and TN all playing in a three. You're going to get defensive coverage, support to the front line, creative passing, physical tenacity and a goal scoring threat. Similar to Liverpool's midfield three, Real Madrid's midfield three (any 3 of Kroos, Casimiro, Valverde and Modric) and Barcelona (Vidal, Arthur, de Jong, Busquets) probably the most defensive of the lot and also lacks balance.

This is purely observations and not intended to refute your points

Fabinho, Casemiro, Busquets, Fernandinho, Kimmich, all no doubt defensive midfielders. PSG realized they couldn’t beat any of the big boys without one so they went out and got Gueye. All the best clubs play with them. You see the giant difference in the ability Madrid got to once they inserted Casemiro in the lineup over James. They make a world of difference.

 

[jimbo]

I think Winks suffered from the upheaval of the past 8 months, we were chopping and changing formation and responsibilities of each player. I'd also argue that not a single player in our team has escaped from suffering during this 8 month period. There's not a single player I can look at in our team and say yeah they've been consistently fantastic. The closest to consistent was Sissoko and I'd say he wasn't fantastic but worked very hard for the team. Jose is starting to define roles and we will see players start to find that consistency imo.

I would say that Son was pretty consistent up until he got sent off.

On Winks, if he was half as bad as some posters make out he wouldn't get anywhere near playing for us under either manager we've had since he first broke into the team. There have been injuries, sure, but he's been picked to play both with and ahead of pretty much all our central midfield options at one time or another. So I find myself asking, much as you and others have done: "Do I value the opinions of Pochettino, Mourinho and other professionals or the SC brains trust?" It's a pretty simple answer, the rest is a load of false justification for irrational dislike in my opinion.

 

[Ronwol196061]

I'd question whether this is actually an accurate reflection of the current trend in football. It's definitely worth examining if the top 5 teams actually use out and out DMs like the Makelele that we were used to seeing (I did start looking at a few top sides but then had my attention taken by something else).

To me it looks like the trend is a couple of players, sometimes two or even three, able to play a box to box role across the middle. It would be like GLC, WInks and TN all playing in a three. You're going to get defensive coverage, support to the front line, creative passing, physical tenacity and a goal scoring threat. Similar to Liverpool's midfield three, Real Madrid's midfield three (any 3 of Kroos, Casimiro, Valverde and Modric) and Barcelona (Vidal, Arthur, de Jong, Busquets) probably the most defensive of the lot and also lacks balance.

This is purely observations and not intended to refute your points

I could be wrong and I am NDombeles biggest fan but not sure if Ndombele would want to really be a box to box player. He seems to be really happy creating from the CM

 

[Locotoro]

I could be wrong and I am NDombeles biggest fan but not sure if Ndombele would want to really be a box to box player. He seems to be really happy creating from the CM

I think his injury or fitness may be preventing him for getting up and down more. But you're right. Ideally I prefer him to sit a little bit deeper too if only to ensure he doesn't burn his energy levels too fast

 

[Ronwol196061]

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I think his injury or fitness may be preventing him for getting up and down more

He was very disappointing today

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Good again. A fixture in the first XI now.

Him and GLC offer a nice dynamism in midfield.

I wonder if you could Gedson into the mix too. I was impressed this evening

 

[Ron Burgundy]

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He was very disappointing today

Definitely - assuming you mean Ndombele. Winks was good

 

[Locotoro]

Fabinho, Casemiro, Busquets, Fernandinho, Kimmich, all no doubt defensive midfielders. PSG realized they couldn’t beat any of the big boys without one so they went out and got Gueye. All the best clubs play with them. You see the giant difference in the ability Madrid got to once they inserted Casemiro in the lineup over James. They make a world of difference.

Yes, it's a good point on Real with and without Casimiro although I wouldn't agree on Fabinho. I guess what I'm seeing is more combative midfielders in general rather than the obvious attacking and defensive types (instead of a Zidane and Deschamps we see more a blend of both)

 

[Tottenhamboy85]

One of the few good players today