Harry Winks - Leicester City
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King of the Lane
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People talk like he is the second coming of Modric...ive always felt he is more like a young Gareth Barry. He plays nice sideways and backwards passes and is busy but ultimately he contributes nothing to the attack and also rarely to the defence. Ive always felt this way and I feel like its becoming more and more obvious. He is a good player but I feel like he is a squad player rather than a first 11
He really hasn’t mate. Sorry but this is complete baloney! He is more often that not really quite poor, I know because it’s the whole reason I don’t rate him. Its actually the good games he has had for us that are the exception.
No, NDombele needs to be next to a true DM.
Winks is not a guaranteed starter and if Poch doesn’t sort it out it will cost him and us big time. He isn’t good enough to build a CM around.
agrdavidsfan
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It’s time to bring Dier back into the fold he gives us a platform to play from winks doesn’t.
In fact he does the opposite he hides he can’t play any pass further than 5 yards doesn’t pick his head up quick enough and in fact I don’t really know what he does or what he offers?
He’s the first player in a few years I’ve watched played for us and just though what do you do?
In fact he does the opposite he hides he can’t play any pass further than 5 yards doesn’t pick his head up quick enough and in fact I don’t really know what he does or what he offers?
He’s the first player in a few years I’ve watched played for us and just though what do you do?
Hoddle&Waddle
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Dier next to Ndombele is what I want to see.
That's on the premise that Wanyama can't get back to his best.
That's on the premise that Wanyama can't get back to his best.
13VanDerBale13
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Mr sideways
Dazzazzad
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I must like baloney then. Thought he was, when fit, one of our best performing players last season. I think he does a good job marshalling and controlling a contested midfield. My issue is more with his performances when we dominate possession. He doesn't have much impact in the final third so its a whole lot of sideways passing.
Happy to change my mind on this if he puts in more performances like today, but I like Winks a lot.
We will have to agree to disagree then. He marshall’s nothing. He is weak defensively and offers nothing going forward.
If Poch doesn’t change it up soon it will end up costing him his job. Winks isn’t the answer in CM. We need a proper DM who gets stuck in and can win the ball, and a ball player alongside (Ndombele).
It’s no coincidence for me Winks becoming our main man in CM has coincided with it all going wrong and it being our worst year of the Poch reign.
Mark_147
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4 wins in 15 premier league games means something ain't right and needs to change. Back to basics, bring back dier
theShiznit
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I think most CM's will be sideways and backwards in our current setup.
Ndombele tried a few passes between the lines against Villa and all he got was Moura hammering the ball in random directions to no one in particular or Erik "second touch a tackle" Lamela going into a lunge to retain possession.
We don't have the ability to play against teams sitting deep and narrow and the best CM in the world is going to make little difference, Eriksen and Lo Celso (players renowned for their creativity) came on and mainly passed sideways and/or to the first available player.
If there's no movement or showing, Kane hiding with two markers and Moura and Son jogging about what real options do the CM's have? Lamela finding space in between the lines every now and then only to find when he gets it he's surrounded with no movement from our attackers.
Our team patterns and plans are flawed against this style of play. all they seem to be is. CB to CB, to either FB or CM, to FB or WF all the while searching for a pass between the lines but when those lines are condensed the move breaks down even when we manage to squeeze through a ball.
That's pretty much been our pattern of play against bus parkers for 3-4 years now. often relying on individual brilliance to create with skill or a long shot which hid certain deficiencies.
When teams attack us we are fine as we can counter quite well when the space is there.
More worrying is our like of purpose and energy in all areas of the pitch. we just jog around in these games expecting space to magically appear.
Ndombele tried a few passes between the lines against Villa and all he got was Moura hammering the ball in random directions to no one in particular or Erik "second touch a tackle" Lamela going into a lunge to retain possession.
We don't have the ability to play against teams sitting deep and narrow and the best CM in the world is going to make little difference, Eriksen and Lo Celso (players renowned for their creativity) came on and mainly passed sideways and/or to the first available player.
If there's no movement or showing, Kane hiding with two markers and Moura and Son jogging about what real options do the CM's have? Lamela finding space in between the lines every now and then only to find when he gets it he's surrounded with no movement from our attackers.
Our team patterns and plans are flawed against this style of play. all they seem to be is. CB to CB, to either FB or CM, to FB or WF all the while searching for a pass between the lines but when those lines are condensed the move breaks down even when we manage to squeeze through a ball.
That's pretty much been our pattern of play against bus parkers for 3-4 years now. often relying on individual brilliance to create with skill or a long shot which hid certain deficiencies.
When teams attack us we are fine as we can counter quite well when the space is there.
More worrying is our like of purpose and energy in all areas of the pitch. we just jog around in these games expecting space to magically appear.
felmani26
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Absence must make the heart grow fonder it seems. Dier was a fucking car crash in midfield last season in a CM2 and that will be the case again if he slots in in place of Winks and somehow people expecting it all to click into place!
Absolutely we have bigger problems here at play than merely swapping Winks out but maintain the same system.
Absolutely we have bigger problems here at play than merely swapping Winks out but maintain the same system.
Disagree. Not necessatily saying Dier is the answer, but Winks most certainly is not.
Removing him and playing someone that transitions between defence and attack rather than just slows us down totally is the most important thing we need at the moment
NickHSpurs
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Honestly, how the fuck is he meant to pass it forwards when everyone in front of him is playing musical fucking statues.
Winks job has never been to beat three players or play a defense splitting pass, his job has always been to hassle people and keep/recycle possession when we have the ball which he does extremely well. If you don't understand that then don't comment as you're expecting him to be something he's not and has never been.
His poor form has coincided massively with Poch being tactically indecisive and not knowing what to do with our front 3/4. People have very short memories about how good Winks is when we've got the balance of the side right.
Winks job has never been to beat three players or play a defense splitting pass, his job has always been to hassle people and keep/recycle possession when we have the ball which he does extremely well. If you don't understand that then don't comment as you're expecting him to be something he's not and has never been.
His poor form has coincided massively with Poch being tactically indecisive and not knowing what to do with our front 3/4. People have very short memories about how good Winks is when we've got the balance of the side right.
Gareth88
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Please address him by his full name
Mr Backwards & Sideways
People have clearly forgotten how good Winks is when we’ve got the balance right? Feel free to jog my memory. In what league games has Winks played really well? Since he got his debut, when exactly has he played well to justify your high opinion of him?
Fans of all clubs are so desperate to see their own academy kids do well they become delusional about it. Winks isn’t very good, he just isn’t. He excels at absolutely nothing. This fantasy land that Winks was somehow a really good performer for us but has been bent out of shape because of a tactical imbalance is not true. The guy has never performed for us bar literally a one handful of times. He is a huge part of the problem. Poch continually picks a CMer who can’t defend or create.
It’s got to the point that if Poch can’t drop winks and realise the issue, I’d rather a change of manager so I don’t have to see Winks playing every week. Or maybe a new manager will actually make him a better player, but either way it isn’t working at all and never has.
Sorry for coming across so passionately about it, I respect your opinion.
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DJS
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I still think he’s a better player than he is currently showing.
He looks a different player under Southgate for England...
I’d judge him when we sort our house out and players start picking up form before writing him off as not being good enough as I think he’s top notch personally.
He looks a different player under Southgate for England...
I’d judge him when we sort our house out and players start picking up form before writing him off as not being good enough as I think he’s top notch personally.
Haddock
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So you're saying that Winks actually is able to break the lines but chooses not to?
That's just daft. Yes Winks primary "job" isn't the same as say Ndombele's and Eriksen's but it's clear as day for me that Winks offensive contribution to the team is a huge gap in his play and our overall play at the moment.
And even if we assumed that Winks "job" is to solely recycle possession you have to ask if we're actually in need of that type of player anyway. A vast majority of the teams we come up against just sit deep and defend with 10 men behind the ball. It wouldn't have mattered if it's the masters of tiki taka Barcelona who'd play against Newcastle yesterday, if they don't have incisive passers in the middle they wouldn't create chances either. There's no wonder that Sissoko and Winks look much better against teams who go at us because in those matches there's much more space in the middle of the park. But then again most teams don't go at us so I once again question if they should start most matches.
Winks is a tidy player and I like him but if he doesn't evolve his game he's very much a luxury player as I see it.
NickHSpurs
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Oh come on mate, he was an absolute beast against some of the best sides in the world. He has been exceptional against teams like Barca, Real and Dortmund.
Part of the problem is also Poch playing him in games like yesterday where we don’t really need him. We were always going to dominate at home to Newcastle, we didn’t need him to keep possession for us. His best games for us have always been when we were expected to have our backs against the wall or use possession well when we have it.
Are you saying you know better than all the many mangers and pundits who have given him plaudits and saying he’s part of the future for England?
