Harry Kane

[DCSPUR]

Woahhhh!!!! Be very careful, I haven't named any player and for very good reason. Speculating is one thing turning it into fact is another entirely.

sorry will amend but based on your comment felt it could only be one

 

[Trix]

sorry will amend but based on your comment felt it could only be one

I would appreciate if you did.

 

[gibbospurs]

Woahhhh!!!! Be very careful, I haven't named any player and for very good reason. Speculating is one thing turning it into fact is another entirely.

Need to delete yours to Trix. ?. Both.

 

[ljinko888]

The fact that he hasn't scored many in open play is synonymous with the way Spurs have been playing in the last year or so and it shows, anyway I think you're being harsh if you are just reducing his game to just tap ins and pens, his all round play has improved, his passing, his awareness, hold up play etc...the ball he played for Rose for Son's goal on Wednesday for example, these things tend to go unnoticed, it's in fact a lazy/ignorant analysis which is typical from a rival fan.

I said he resembles much closer to that description of a tap in/pen striker because rival fans used it when he was the total opposite. From 2015-18 he was a bulldozing striker who bullied defenders, created chances for himself and others, had a sharp turn of pace and didn't need a second invitation to fire off a snapshot.

Back then he was an all round footballer.

I wholeheartedly disagree that he has improved while his goals have gone down. He's not playing like Firmino who still is a dominating forward despite not scoring much. He's not scoring as many goals in part due to the lack of service from others and that he can't create chances for himself anymore. This is a guy who used to take 5/6/7 shots a game at times because he could force it himself but these days barely threatens the goalkeeper from open play. His shots per game stats prove this:

League only:
2014/15 - 3.3 SPG
2015/16 - 4.2 SPG
2016/17 - 3.7 SPG
2017/18 - 5.0 SPG
2018/19 - 3.6 SPG
2019/20 - 2.7 SPG

Now this drop off no doubt has a correlation with his ankle injuries affecting his mobility. It makes it harder for others to set him up if he can no longer make the same runs as he used to at the same intensity. It makes it easier for defenders to mark him. It makes it harder for him to just take a touch and fire from range.

Taking that into account you have to then start questioning (in my opinion at least) if his undroppable tag is deserved. Kane was never a speedy player but he had enough speed to work with and use to full effect. If he's lost that speed then it's harder for him to drag CBs apart because he's a classical striker, not like the versatile wide forwards like City and Liverpool play with. In that case we have games like yesterday or like Watford or like Newcastle where while he's not the biggest problem, he still is a problem. Against sides that park the bus you need to disorganise them through quick movement and passing and if Kane can't move quick and if his first thought is to draw fouls then we'll never have a good enough tempo to break them down early in games. And the longer games deadlocked the more confident the opposition is.

 

[DCSPUR]

I said he resembles much closer to that description of a tap in/pen striker because rival fans used it when he was the total opposite. From 2015-18 he was a bulldozing striker who bullied defenders, created chances for himself and others, had a sharp turn of pace and didn't need a second invitation to fire off a snapshot.

Back then he was an all round footballer.

I wholeheartedly disagree that he has improved while his goals have gone down. He's not playing like Firmino who still is a dominating forward despite not scoring much. He's not scoring as many goals in part due to the lack of service from others and that he can't create chances for himself anymore. This is a guy who used to take 5/6/7 shots a game at times because he could force it himself but these days barely threatens the goalkeeper from open play. His shots per game stats prove this:

League only:
2014/15 - 3.3 SPG
2015/16 - 4.2 SPG
2016/17 - 3.7 SPG
2017/18 - 5.0 SPG
2018/19 - 3.6 SPG
2019/20 - 2.7 SPG

Now this drop off no doubt has a correlation with his ankle injuries affecting his mobility. It makes it harder for others to set him up if he can no longer make the same runs as he used to at the same intensity. It makes it easier for defenders to mark him. It makes it harder for him to just take a touch and fire from range.

Taking that into account you have to then start questioning (in my opinion at least) if his undroppable tag is deserved. Kane was never a speedy player but he had enough speed to work with and use to full effect. If he's lost that speed then it's harder for him to drag CBs apart because he's a classical striker, not like the versatile wide forwards like City and Liverpool play with. In that case we have games like yesterday or like Watford or like Newcastle where while he's not the biggest problem, he still is a problem. Against sides that park the bus you need to disorganise them through quick movement and passing and if Kane can't move quick and if his first thought is to draw fouls then we'll never have a good enough tempo to break them down early in games. And the longer games deadlocked the more confident the opposition is.

wonder if it would be smart in those games to put Moura up top, drop Kane into an attacking mid role, GLC on and Son coming in from the flanks and Ndombele and an in form Winks in the middle....of course would need some quality from full back

 

[Shadydan]

I said he resembles much closer to that description of a tap in/pen striker because rival fans used it when he was the total opposite. From 2015-18 he was a bulldozing striker who bullied defenders, created chances for himself and others, had a sharp turn of pace and didn't need a second invitation to fire off a snapshot.

Back then he was an all round footballer.

I wholeheartedly disagree that he has improved while his goals have gone down. He's not playing like Firmino who still is a dominating forward despite not scoring much. He's not scoring as many goals in part due to the lack of service from others and that he can't create chances for himself anymore. This is a guy who used to take 5/6/7 shots a game at times because he could force it himself but these days barely threatens the goalkeeper from open play. His shots per game stats prove this:

League only:
2014/15 - 3.3 SPG
2015/16 - 4.2 SPG
2016/17 - 3.7 SPG
2017/18 - 5.0 SPG
2018/19 - 3.6 SPG
2019/20 - 2.7 SPG

Now this drop off no doubt has a correlation with his ankle injuries affecting his mobility. It makes it harder for others to set him up if he can no longer make the same runs as he used to at the same intensity. It makes it easier for defenders to mark him. It makes it harder for him to just take a touch and fire from range.

Taking that into account you have to then start questioning (in my opinion at least) if his undroppable tag is deserved. Kane was never a speedy player but he had enough speed to work with and use to full effect. If he's lost that speed then it's harder for him to drag CBs apart because he's a classical striker, not like the versatile wide forwards like City and Liverpool play with. In that case we have games like yesterday or like Watford or like Newcastle where while he's not the biggest problem, he still is a problem. Against sides that park the bus you need to disorganise them through quick movement and passing and if Kane can't move quick and if his first thought is to draw fouls then we'll never have a good enough tempo to break them down early in games. And the longer games deadlocked the more confident the opposition is.

Yeah he's lost mobility and speed but other parts of his game has improved making him more of a complete striker, the difference now is that we're struggling to create chances for him, yesterday he had 11 touches of the ball at HT which tells you all you need to know.

Now match those SPG with the chances created by the team over the same period and you'll see a similar decline.

 

[ljinko888]

Yeah he's lost mobility and speed but other parts of his game has improved making him more of a complete striker, the difference now is that we're struggling to create chances for him, yesterday he had 11 touches of the ball at HT which tells you all you need to know.

Now match those SPG with the chances created by the team over the same period and you'll see a similar decline.

How can someone be a complete striker if they touch the ball eleven times in one half? To me that sounds like like Defoe who was rendered useless if others couldn't get it up to him.

My point is Kane was a complete striker. He was no way near as reliant on other people to provide for him pre-2018. If anything we used to be too reliant on him. Since that Bournemouth injury he has gradually tailed off since to this version of Kane who is barely getting a kick never mind a shot.

wonder if it would be smart in those games to put Moura up top, drop Kane into an attacking mid role, GLC on and Son coming in from the flanks and Ndombele and an in form Winks in the middle....of course would need some quality from full back

To be honest I'm a bit tired of having a designated attacking mid role. Whether it's Eriksen or Alli or Kane, I'd rather try and emulate Liverpool and have a three man midfield who provide a foundation for a hard working and speedy three man attack.

 

[Shadydan]

How can someone be a complete striker if they touch the ball eleven times in one half? To me that sounds like like Defoe who was rendered useless if others couldn't get it up to him.

My point is Kane was a complete striker. He was no way near as reliant on other people to provide for him pre-2018. If anything we used to be too reliant on him. Since that Bournemouth injury he has gradually tailed off since to this version of Kane who is barely getting a kick never mind a shot.



To be honest I'm a bit tired of having a designated attacking mid role. Whether it's Eriksen or Alli or Kane, I'd rather try and emulate Liverpool and have a three man midfield who provide a foundation for a hard working and speedy three man attack.

? Because the ball isn't getting to him, players aren't picking him out at the rate they once were, are you saying that he should go hunting for the ball himself, do you want him coming into midfield and picking the ball up in non threatening areas? A complete striker doesn't mean how many touches you have of the ball it means your all round game is top notch.

The difference is simple, back when we were actually good, we played as a team and our football was decent Kane was involved more as we kept the ball up the pitch more, now we aren't anywhere near that level and our football is slow and ponderous therefore certain players are always going to suffer as a result. There's no science to it, we've dropped off in an attacking sense and therefore this has affected Kane.

 

[DCSPUR]

To be honest I'm a bit tired of having a designated attacking mid role. Whether it's Eriksen or Alli or Kane, I'd rather try and emulate Liverpool and have a three man midfield who provide a foundation for a hard working and speedy three man attack.

Kane could play the Firminho role with Son and Lucas but not sure if that is the way to go.

Perhaps 4-2-1-2-1
with 2 attacking full backs
Ndombele and Winks
Kane
GLC and S

? Because the ball isn't getting to him, players aren't picking him out at the rate they once were, are you saying that he should go hunting for the ball himself, do you want him coming into midfield and picking the ball up in non threatening areas? A complete striker doesn't mean how many touches you have of the ball it means your all round game is top notch.

The difference is simple, back when we were actually good, we played as a team and our football was decent Kane was involved more as we kept the ball up the pitch more, now we aren't anywhere near that level and our football is slow and ponderous therefore certain players are always going to suffer as a result. There's no science to it, we've dropped off in an attacking sense and therefore this has affected Kane.

the press used to start with him, Alli and Eriksen....

 

[Shadydan]

the press used to start with him, Alli and Eriksen....

Ok?

 

[ljinko888]

? Because the ball isn't getting to him, players aren't picking him out at the rate they once were, are you saying that he should go hunting for the ball himself, do you want him coming into midfield and picking the ball up in non threatening areas? A complete striker doesn't mean how many touches you have of the ball it means your all round game is top notch.

The difference is simple, back when we were actually good, we played as a team and our football was decent Kane was involved more as we kept the ball up the pitch more, now we aren't anywhere near that level and our football is slow and ponderous therefore certain players are always going to suffer as a result. There's no science to it, we've dropped off in an attacking sense and therefore this has affected Kane.

I don't disagree at all with your second paragraph. We have a problem as a team. My criticism of Kane comes through firstly because he's the one forward who starts every game and finishes every game even if he plays shit. Others may play shit and rightfully get hooked. Or like Sonny against Red Star they are on a hattrick and get hooked. Whereas Kane stays on. If he's going to be indulged I want to see him earn that right again.

And my disagreement with you on his "complete striker" description is part of the reason he is just much less of a factor. I don't expect him to come so far deep just to boost his touch stat but I don't like seeing him get beaten in the air or to the first ball so often or that when he has the ball to slow it down and try and draw fouls as if he knows he hasn't got the legs to have a dart at the defender. We might have to agree and disagree if definition is the issue, but I just don't enjoy watching Kane post-Bournemouth injury play so it's not just a recent thing. It's been building up for some time even when we as a team were winning more often than not.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

The fact that he hasn't scored many in open play is synonymous with the way Spurs have been playing in the last year or so and it shows, anyway I think you're being harsh if you are just reducing his game to just tap ins and pens, his all round play has improved, his passing, his awareness, hold up play etc...the ball he played for Rose for Son's goal on Wednesday for example, these things tend to go unnoticed, it's in fact a lazy/ignorant analysis which is typical from a rival fan.

Albeit not as a central midfielder Kane is heading in a similar direction as Rooney... becoming a creator as opposed to an out and out striker. I’d love to have someone in the mould of Werner playing through the middle with Kane being the link between midfield and attack, think he would excel in this role and the addition of new striker would also be to the benefit of the team as a whole.

........................ New Striker .......................
...... Son .............. Kane ............ GLC ........
..................... DM ......... Ndombele ...........
Sessegnon.... CB ....... Sanchez ....... RB
............................. GK .............................

 

[gibbospurs]

How can someone be a complete striker if they touch the ball eleven times in one half? To me that sounds like like Defoe who was rendered useless if others couldn't get it up to him.

My point is Kane was a complete striker. He was no way near as reliant on other people to provide for him pre-2018. If anything we used to be too reliant on him. Since that Bournemouth injury he has gradually tailed off since to this version of Kane who is barely getting a kick never mind a shot.



To be honest I'm a bit tired of having a designated attacking mid role. Whether it's Eriksen or Alli or Kane, I'd rather try and emulate Liverpool and have a three man midfield who provide a foundation for a hard working and speedy three man attack.

We’ve needed proper cover/ alternative option up top for years. But we make do with our wide options. We are proper tight fuckers really. One fucking proper striker. Top 4 team? Absolute bollocks.

 

[Dirtysanchez6]

Anyone slating Kane can get out the door with poch and please let it hit you on the way out ?

 

[ljinko888]

We’ve needed proper cover/ alternative option up top for years. But we make do with our wide options. We are proper tight fuckers really. One fucking proper striker. Top 4 team? Absolute bollocks.

Troy Parrott will be the hero of the Amazon documentary when he saves our season!

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

Look at his press on the Sheffield United goal he barely broke out of a jog.

To give him the benefit of the doubt though I think he is still carrying the effects of last week but we've definitely seen this before.

Tbh I don't understand why he wasn't subbed for Lucas earlier.

In his defence, the whole team had clearly been told to drop back as for large parts of the Sheffield United goal we had 10 men in our own half with Harry up top probing at space not the player. If the manager had encouraged more than just Harry to be pressing then maybe it wouldn't have been seen as as much of a lost cause. We sat too deep and we're happy to take the 1-0 win, a rookie mistake in this league. In this sport actually as the best form of defence will always be attack.

We wanted to scrape it. Watch the highlights back and tell me how many Spurs players you see in their half and for how long you see them in their half. Digging Harry out for that ain't the way in my personal view.

 

[DCSPUR]

Ok?

wondering if Alli's hammies, Kane's injuries and Eriksens (not sure what) have caused the prob

 

[glacierSpurs]

wondering if Alli's hammies, Kane's injuries and Eriksens (not sure what) have caused the prob

More so in Poch's alternate universe of ideal fitness. Our current game play does not require an Iron Man triathlon kind of fitness. Their heads and mental state are just not screwed right on to be motivated enough to run the extra mile.

 

[Deleted member 29446]

IF Kane wants out - well he's our only irreplaceable player so - and the agent/Trix was knowing even more from the player about this situation than Poch and Levy themself. How long will it be before Kane goes to Levy? As i'd imagine that is what gonna happen?

 

[Deleted member 27995]

End game for some then.

Currently the team ethos and playing for one another seems a distant memory on the pitch and if this is the way it's going to go, fine.

I'd rather have a team back than a bunch of individuals who are now more interested in their own brand or their own worth than the team (being the key word in all of this)

This ideals big club with big ambition is fine, you can't win things though if you're not interested in the ideal of team in a team game.

Just about finishes me off right now. Years of laughing at the Chelsea's and United's of this world when players throw toys out of prams, managers lose their shit and Spurs, who have won the square root of fuck all have it happen to them before they can sniff glory.

Amazing.