Player Watch Player Watch: Guglielmo Vicario

[mil1lion]

It's not confirmation biased, he has been trying to improve but he is doing it wrong.

@mil1lion I'll try to explain but it's difficult without showing videos, I dis try it earlier in this thread.

He has started trying to push, but it's all at the wrong time, I can't quite figure out why the keeper coaches aren't addressing it.

He pushes everyone away before the corner is taken, he doesn't need to, he just needs to stand away from his goal line and hold position, he should push as rhe ball is in thr air and use that momentum to create his space and his positioning (not all the time as each is different in terms of delivery).

It's pointless doing all thr pushing when everyone is jostling before a corner is even taken, just step out and stand your ground, organise your defence and if an attacker is marking you. Push away from them as rhe ball is kicked to create your space.


Still need your defenders to do their bit, but less hassle before that, more calmness and confidence and it can be addressed.

Does he not risk giving a penalty if he pushes when the ball is in play?

 

[isaac94]

i rate him very highly, anyone who says he needs replacing doesn't understand the game, he won goalkeeper of the year at London awards last season, nominated 5 times for save of the month,

 

[Shanks]

Does he not risk giving a penalty if he pushes when the ball is in play?

Potentially but no more than already.

I had the same discussion with my son as I said you run the risk of a pen by doing exactly that, his words were not only is he coached to do that, but everyone is focused on the ball rsther than to dive from a push, but the push isn't to push them over but to create his own space, push off the player, hence standing higher from the goal line, so you push off backwards to crate your space.

Vicario is in fact doing it this season, so he has improved, but just needs to settle down before it all happens, if he done that, all of this would go away, it's focus on him at every corner (even the cameras are)

 

[spurs9]

How? It is Porro's job to defend the near post, it's pretty churlish to blame a poor headed clearance/inadvertent flick on from Porro on Vicario.

Personally, I think the whole narrative that Vicario struggles at set pieces has unfairly been carried over since last season. Truth is, he and we as team have massively improved on them. I mean, yesterday was the second time we conceded from a corner, the first being to Arsenal, who are the best in the league at scoring from them, and the now to Villa who are also very good at them.

It's one of those things that because the media have latched onto it, now our own fans perpetuate it as a bigger problem than the facts actually demonstrate.

According to commentators, the media and most on here, Set Pieces are a huge weakness of ours but a huge strength of Arsenal's, well the fact is, they have scored 1 more than us and conceded the same amount.

 

[wpmcg]

Genuinely amazed he's getting stick for conceding that yesterday. I think if the cameras weren't focused on him prior to the goal hardly anyone would have put any blame on him.

There is no way he's getting anywhere near the initial ball, and if Porro heads it literally anywhere else the chance is likely gone. Not to mention the fact that by staying put Vicario makes a decent point blank save, and is never in a million years going to be able to react to the second ball before the players on their feet.

I've criticised him in the past, but come on.

I think he's way better than Lloris ever was but he has a weakness. (
Porro at the near post I'll ignore at the moment ). As Shanks said he's pushing people now when he doesn't need to. When the corner was taken he allowed himself to be positioned behind their player. That's why he was partly to blame, he timed the pushing all wrong.

 

[muppetman]

I think it is nitpicking. Martinez came out and claimed the ball in his area (which i'm a huge fan of) several times, but of course he let in 4 - is he an average keeper who needs to improve?

Goalkeeping has changed massively over the years and it's not enough to be a big lump who clears out the goalmouth and claims everything. Vic is an absolutely top drawer shot stopper, decent to good with his feet but is maybe not as good at dominating his box.

How many keepers are elite at everything?

 

[hughy]

I think he's way better than Lloris ever was but he has a weakness. (
Porro at the near post I'll ignore at the moment ). As Shanks said he's pushing people now when he doesn't need to. When the corner was taken he allowed himself to be positioned behind their player. That's why he was partly to blame, he timed the pushing all wrong.

But in this scenario what better outcome would have come from him pushing players at a different time? As I say he was never going to get to the ball which Porro flicked on even if he was off his line. I'm not sure what he could have done which would have in any way prevented this goal.

 

[wpmcg]

But in this scenario what better outcome would have come from him pushing players at a different time? As I say he was never going to get to the ball which Porro flicked on even if he was off his line. I'm not sure what he could have done which would have in any way prevented this goal.

Being in front of his man would have meant a simple save.

 

[Shanks]

I think it is nitpicking. Martinez came out and claimed the ball in his area (which i'm a huge fan of) several times, but of course he let in 4 - is he an average keeper who needs to improve?

Goalkeeping has changed massively over the years and it's not enough to be a big lump who clears out the goalmouth and claims everything. Vic is an absolutely top drawer shot stopper, decent to good with his feet but is maybe not as good at dominating his box.

How many keepers are elite at everything?

Ypu should see how mich I analysis my sons performancesand training sessions, poor kid has had it for 9 years from me!

But, yes I'd say there are even more improvements for martinez personally, which is ironic seeing as he has won the best goalkeeper in the world award for thrvlast 2 years, I don't think he is!


I think for me, i look at goals conceeded and see what can be done to improve on that for future learning, but thats probably just because i have a keeper in the fanily and used to play that position, goals are scored all the time, no issue with that at all, you'll see me defending a near post goal, which most fans seem to think should be saved purely on commentary biased that keepers shouldnt be beaten at the near post (its bullshit btw, they will and do).
There aren't any perfect keepers around, all have different strengths and different weaknesses, honestly, it's such a tough position to play, so many things to consider and then work on and there will still be things that need work on. And I will bet my house on thr fact that this whole goal will be analysed and disected from a keepers perspective this week too.

 

[tevezito]

One thing I haven’t seen mentioned about that Villa goal is that Johnson is clearly pushed in the back as he goes up to contest the Porro header and if he hadn’t been the flick may well not have got past him. So it’s not just that we’ve only conceded two goals from corners this season, but on another day (or if they were against another team) they might both have been disallowed.

 

[spurs mental]

Not having the most comfortable of games so far tonight

 

[wpmcg]

Not sure he could have done much with either of those, even though I doubt him.

 

[maltahotspur]

Two goals from set pieces. One from a corner, again stood on the line when he could have come out to punch the ball away. And for the free-kick second goal, he failed to set up the wall properly.
At this level, he has to do much better.

 

[Shanks]

Two goals from set pieces. One from a corner, again stood on the line when he could have come out to punch the ball away. And for the free-kick second goal, he failed to set up the wall properly.
At this level, he has to do much better.

Nah, not on him this one.

he wasn’t being bullied at the corner, perfectly fine for him to be positioned where he was on that corner.

mad for the free kick, can’t see any or many keepers saving that, unreal strike.
And even though I can be a bit harsh of vic for being a bit lightweight, he is a top shot stopper.

 

[waresy]

Two goals from set pieces. One from a corner, again stood on the line when he could have come out to punch the ball away. And for the free-kick second goal, he failed to set up the wall properly.
At this level, he has to do much better.

Some might that is a tad harsh! 30 yard freekick so always space to get it up and down, hits post and goes in off the keeper. Not sure I would pin that on Vicario there.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

He's starting to get criticised for almost every goal he concedes, even when it's not his fault or there's no error.

 

[arunspurs]

Two goals from set pieces. One from a corner, again stood on the line when he could have come out to punch the ball away. And for the free-kick second goal, he failed to set up the wall properly.
At this level, he has to do much better.

Look at the height of the ball - He can have 5 more on that side. Even then, no one is outjumping to head this....
Its a brilliant free kick

 

[BorjeSpurs]

Sometimes you know when the negativity is becoming nonsensical.

Worrying about Vicario's general shot-stopping (when on international duty) is one of those times.

 

[robhumphreys]

I think he's way better than Lloris ever was but he has a weakness. (
Porro at the near post I'll ignore at the moment ). As Shanks said he's pushing people now when he doesn't need to. When the corner was taken he allowed himself to be positioned behind their player. That's why he was partly to blame, he timed the pushing all wrong.

No way he’s near Lloris at his best. Unless there’s a significant improvement we should look to upgrade next close season

 

[wishkah]

I love him like I loved Paul Robinson. Good keeper great guy and want him to have a great career with us. He’s not Buffon but that’s ok -

I think the coaches are somewhat idiots for not giving him body guards at this point. If every team targets him he should double down and protect. Every keeper is going to struggle if targeted with no protection. So let’s over protect so that it stops being an oppo tactic