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Shanks

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May 11, 2005
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I'm sure a keeper handling outside the box is straight red. And he did so very lucky VAR and Banks proving both are usless
Absolutely no idea, typically, it when a keeper comes out and ball going g towards goal, not rhe other way round, no scoring chance to be had, but yeah ref and var useless
 

yido_number1

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I'm sure a keeper handling outside the box is straight red. And he did so very lucky VAR and Banks proving both are usless
Denying a goal scoring opportunity is a straight red. Deliberate hand ball is a yellow. There were so many players between ball and goal no way was that a red.
 

taidgh

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Aug 13, 2004
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I think he's just in his own head at the minute. Has decided he needs to come for everything but isn't comfortable doing so yet. Just a short time ago we were saying he needs to be more assertive. Let's be patient...
 
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sidford

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If he can't sort himself out this season then we need to upgrade in summer. He's an easy target for clubs and they know he's easy to get flustered. This is 2 seasons in a row he's poor on crosses etc if he can't sort that out then we can't give him a 3rd surely.
He's a great shot stopper and seems like a good lad so hopefully he can overcome this but it's a massive weakness
 

muppetman

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Brentford had a player stand behind him today on corners who’d then move in front of him and block him when the corner was taken.

He needs to either throw that guy into the back of the net or go down like he’s been shot. Just seems odd that the rest of the team still leave him to sort it.

Saying that I think we’ve generally been better with corners and set pieces this season.

Today was all a bit twitchy and he got himself into bother but he also saved us with a couple of very good saves.
 

rossdapep

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I think he's just in his own head at the minute. Has decided he needs to come for everything but isn't comfortable doing so yet. Just a short time ago we were saying he needs to be more assertive. Let's be patient...
I think the answer is in here.

He wasn't like this in his first few months and whilst there were concerns about his ability with his feet, we seemed to all be in agreement that he was a big upgrade on Lloris in this way and a few others.

But since that City game he's become more nervous and chaotic.

He needs to be put in some tough scenarios in training with some real good mental management until he improves his focus.

Today he flapped at a high ball, noone was behind him or either side of him, he misjudged the flight (probably nervous about contact) and ended up just flinging an arm at it then fell as if he'd been impeded.

That's 100% mentality. Gomes was a lost cause cause we didn't have the GK method training or mental coaching that we have now. Vicario needs a lot of work.

Marmadasvili would probably have been a better pick in terms of crossing and saves, although he's still not as great distribution wise.
 

Styopa

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Reminds me a little bit of when De gea came to the league with the problems from corners, albeit de gea was younger.
He was peppered with crosses/corners right on top of him until he eventually learned how to deal with them. Then it went it back to normal.

I’m sure he’ll get the physical side eventually, he has to.

Yeah De Gea was quite a bit younger. He was 21 when he joined Man U, whilst Vicario is about to turn 28. That’s the same age difference as between Udogie and Werner.

Vicario is one of the older members of the squad now, in the same age bracket as Bissouma and Maddison.
Out of the players who feature regularly, only Son (32), Werner (28) and Bissouma (28) are more senior.

That doesn’t mean Vicario can’t improve but it’s a bit different from a player in their early twenties.
 

YiddoInPoland

You got some statistical evidence to back that up?
Aug 6, 2011
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Seems someone has said gomes and now loads of people are picking it up . Vic 100% needs to work to be less flappy at crosses but apart from that he is nothing like Gomes was, its pretty lazy a comparison.

Gomes though is a case in point of fans getting on players backs early in their careers at spurs, he was mentally gone and i think was scared to actually play for a while. It was good to see that at least he went on and was decent after us.
 

Shanks

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May 11, 2005
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Seems someone has said gomes and now loads of people are picking it up . Vic 100% needs to work to be less flappy at crosses but apart from that he is nothing like Gomes was, its pretty lazy a comparison.

Gomes though is a case in point of fans getting on players backs early in their careers at spurs, he was mentally gone and i think was scared to actually play for a while. It was good to see that at least he went on and was decent after us.
Tbf and whilst I don't see the co prison, it's more to guess in cheek that he will make a worldie and then the second later have us all with our hearts in our mouths...

Less flappy isn't what I would say, actually quite a bit more, but agree, confidence or trying to consider too mich at once rather than direct action or something in the head seems to be the issue mostly.
 

thekneaf

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That's the rules of the game. As a few people have said, if the ref misses it then there is nothing var can do as it worst its a free kick and a yellow card.

Although I'm certainly not saying it was smart from him. Was very dumb
 

spurmin

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Seems someone has said gomes and now loads of people are picking it up . Vic 100% needs to work to be less flappy at crosses but apart from that he is nothing like Gomes was, its pretty lazy a comparison.

Gomes though is a case in point of fans getting on players backs early in their careers at spurs, he was mentally gone and i think was scared to actually play for a while. It was good to see that at least he went on and was decent after us.
Just watched the whole replay on Spursplay. One where he got caught on the ball first half, and the hand ball outside the box ( lucky not to get a yellow card ) the only mistakes he made. Distribution was good and didn’t see any other major handling errors, although he did push one away for a corner needlessly!
To label him a clown as some have on here is ridiculous. And to compare him to Heurelho Gomes, again is ridiculous.
 
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Styopa

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Tbf and whilst I don't see the co prison, it's more to guess in cheek that he will make a worldie and then the second later have us all with our hearts in our mouths...

Less flappy isn't what I would say, actually quite a bit more, but agree, confidence or trying to consider too mich at once rather than direct action or something in the head seems to be the issue mostly.

Spot on. It's not a direct comparison; it's more about how Vicario demonstrates amazing natural talent at times, yet can also appear quite nervous at others. While I don’t think Friedel had Gomes's instinctive shot-stopping ability, he was a much steadier presence. I felt our defence improved when we replaced Gomes, as they had more trust in Friedel.

We are not there with Vicario yet but unless he improves this season and we have designs of seriously challenging, we could be. Pep, Klopp and Arteta were all pretty ruthless in replacing their goalkeepers.
 

easley91

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Jan 27, 2011
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I'm worried about him at crosses. Great shot stopper. But what doesn't help in fans' minds is commentary constantly on about these corners or he is on edge (thanks Neville for that one).

We have conceded from one corner all season so far.

Vicario has some work to do when coming for crosses and corners, but what commentary says doesn't help matters.
 
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