Player Watch Player Watch: Guglielmo Vicario

[olithfc]

Maybe this is a position in the summer where we should be looking like other big clubs do for a proper competition or upgrade

 

[Tucker]

Already said this to a different poster, but there are literally six players between Vicario and Gabriel. There's no chance in the world he could even get close.

Mainly because he gets distracted by that little tussle. Leaving the centre of the goal unguarded.

 

[GioW]

Erratic

 

[Dave1882]

Loads of keepers have been good shot stoppers over the years. But dominating their area, taking crosses etc lets them down. Vicario is one of these, should be in line to be upgraded

 

[Cambridge Spur]

Not good enough for this league

 

[Shanks]

Already said this to a different poster, but there are literally six players between Vicario and Gabriel. There's no chance in the world he could even get close.

I’ve said this multiple times too.

Its because of him, this is targeted in the first place.

he is too weak, the team are too scared of the ball going near him on corners, it’s literally a targeted attack because of his weakness.

he was almost behind his line, again, from a header 3 yards out.

thr blokes 6’4 tall, he should be stood exactly were the corner was headed for todays goal.

keeper has to provide confidence to his defenders, so whilst defender was pretty shit, it’s down to the keepers weakness it’s there in the first place.

this will continue to happen every time we play, Vicario hasn’t got a chance to improve this now as it’s quite clear a few people running around him throws him off his concentration, and he’s too weak to dominate his 6 yard box

 

[Albertbarich]

He should be upgraded.

He isn’t a bad keeper but his weakness from set pieces have left us being targeted very successfully and you can see him panicking.

Bit of ruthlessness is needed here with an upgrade

 

[Martinhotspur]

Needs to grow a pair of nuts.

 

[spurs-r-us]

There is too much Heurelho Gomes about him for my liking. Great shot stopper who doesn't command his box aerially. A weakness as stark as his will always be exploited.

 

[yojambo]

Loads of keepers have struggled with corners and crosses when coming into the league from abroad. Imo he's being let down by the coaching team and our overall abysmal set piece setup.

 

[Joely]

Like him but his one serious weakness is a major problem in this league. Even before the set pieces is taken, just feel he is too jittery/agitated and doesn't give of the vibe he has the situation under control.

Think he lacks the physicality and aggression when the box is packed out to really dominate. Maybe not a problem in Italy but over here he is going to have to deal with it every week.

 

[ernie78]

He’s a huge problem for us and has been since the City cup game in January.

Predictably terrible on set pieces. So so weak and flappy.

If our goalkeeping options weren’t so poor I’d be saying he needs dropping.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a keeper go from looking so assured (first 10games) to a nervous wreck so quickly.
start of last season everyone, pundits included, were raving about him.
he’s now a serious cause for concern

 

[Whazam]

I’ve said this multiple times too.

Its because of him, this is targeted in the first place.

he is too weak, the team are too scared of the ball going near him on corners, it’s literally a targeted attack because of his weakness.

he was almost behind his line, again, from a header 3 yards out.

thr blokes 6’4 tall, he should be stood exactly were the corner was headed for todays goal.

keeper has to provide confidence to his defenders, so whilst defender was pretty shit, it’s down to the keepers weakness it’s there in the first place.

this will continue to happen every time we play, Vicario hasn’t got a chance to improve this now as it’s quite clear a few people running around him throws him off his concentration, and he’s too weak to dominate his 6 yard box

I agree he is way too weak in the air. I agree it's part of his job to instill confidence. I agree he is being targeted on corners. I think the whole world can see this. But we are also very aware of it at this point, which makes it much easier to give the rest of the players clear directives on how to deal with it.

Today, I think we did that well (in how we set up). Even on the goal that cluster around Vicario was dealt with well. Gabriel wasn't a part of that group of players. And he only scored because Romero wasn't switched on. It wasn't because Vicario was poor in the air. It wasn't because he got distracted. It wasn't because of a lack of confidence in those around him. It was because the player with the clearest task failed.

We can complain about Vicario's shortcomings, but we can't assign other's mistakes to him just because he exists, that's just ridiculous, and looking for a reason to criticize him. Even if you don't agree with any of my points about how we dealt with the corners; Romero's weakness, on this occasion, was in no way connected to Vicario.

 

[Shanks]

I agree he is way too weak in the air. I agree it's part of his job to instill confidence. I agree he is being targeted on corners. I think the whole world can see this. But we are also very aware of it at this point, which makes it much easier to give the rest of the players clear directives on how to deal with it.

Today, I think we did that well (in how we set up). Even on the goal that cluster around Vicario was dealt with well. Gabriel wasn't a part of that group of players. And he only scored because Romero wasn't switched on. It wasn't because Vicario was poor in the air. It wasn't because he got distracted. It wasn't because of a lack of confidence in those around him. It was because the player with the clearest task failed.

We can complain about Vicario's shortcomings, but we can't assign other's mistakes to him just because he exists, that's just ridiculous, and looking for a reason to criticize him. Even if you don't agree with any of my points about how we dealt with the corners; Romero's weakness, on this occasion, was in no way connected to Vicario.

100% connected to vicario.

Not fully, but he bares responsibility for it as well.

We literally put a wall of defenders around him at corners, we try to protect him, more than thr ball or goal.

It's actually, so, so poor.

Yes Romero messed up as well, but we shouldn't be in this position in the first place.

I cannot express it enough, his started positioning for corners is exactly were gabriel headed rhe ball...

 

[UncleBuck]

I agree he is way too weak in the air. I agree it's part of his job to instill confidence. I agree he is being targeted on corners. I think the whole world can see this. But we are also very aware of it at this point, which makes it much easier to give the rest of the players clear directives on how to deal with it.

Today, I think we did that well (in how we set up). Even on the goal that cluster around Vicario was dealt with well. Gabriel wasn't a part of that group of players. And he only scored because Romero wasn't switched on. It wasn't because Vicario was poor in the air. It wasn't because he got distracted. It wasn't because of a lack of confidence in those around him. It was because the player with the clearest task failed.

We can complain about Vicario's shortcomings, but we can't assign other's mistakes to him just because he exists, that's just ridiculous, and looking for a reason to criticize him. Even if you don't agree with any of my points about how we dealt with the corners; Romero's weakness, on this occasion, was in no way connected to Vicario.

Totally get your point but for his size he needs to be coming through everyone and dealing with it, it’s something that so many keepers struggle with now and it’s almost like a bit of a dying art because keepers are being told they need to play from the back to the detriment of the basic fundamentals of keeping.
For me though if I was playing yes I’d have dealt with it but I also wouldn’t expect a player to have a free header on the six yd box.
As you say considering how bad corners were last time against them I thought, apart from the goal obviously, we actually managed them ok all things considering

 

[Whazam]

Totally get your point but for his size he needs to be coming through everyone and dealing with it, it’s something that so many keepers struggle with now and it’s almost like a bit of a dying art because keepers are being told they need to play from the back to the detriment of the basic fundamentals of keeping.
For me though if I was playing yes I’d have dealt with it but I also wouldn’t expect a player to have a free header on the six yd box.
As you say considering how bad corners were last time against them I thought, apart from the goal obviously, we actually managed them ok all things considering

I would 100% agree with this if he had one or two players in front of him, maybe even three. But six? There's not a goalkeeper in the world who could have gotten to that ball. Not without murdering at least half of them.

Totally agree with the rest.

 

[dagraham]

I know nothing about this keeper.

For anyone who has watched him ( and I don’t mean YouTube), does he command his area? As that is something I feel we’ve missed for a while ( Lloris, amongst other things, has got increasingly “flappy” over the years - and can’t say it was ever one of his strengths really).

So I remember posting my concerns at the time we signed him about commanding the box.

The thing is, after his first few months his performances were mostly very impressive and it seemed we had found s

I’m not sure how he ( and us as a defensive unit) can get past this though as it’s clearly an area the opposition will continue to target. Despite us making some noticeable moves to try and counter what opposition players were doing last season, he still does not look comfortable.

 

[Whazam]

100% connected to vicario.

Not fully, but he bares responsibility for it as well.

We literally put a wall of defenders around him at corners, we try to protect him, more than thr ball or goal.

It's actually, so, so poor.

Yes Romero messed up as well, but we shouldn't be in this position in the first place.

I cannot express it enough, his started positioning for corners is exactly were gabriel headed rhe ball...

No, Romero failing to track a run from further out the box is still not on Vicario.

What do you mean Romero messed up as well? Exactly how did Vicario mess up here, on this particular corner? Is it the bolded part? Is your point that Vicario should have saved the header? I don't agree with that, but that would be a point I understand.

Because the rest is just criticism of a fantasy scenario where Arsenal didn't set up the way they did and Vicario could have had a more advanced starting position and collect that ball. But that wasn't the reality of the situation. The reality was he had a wall of meat in front of him and a player on the other side of that wall got to head the ball completely unmarked.

 

[robhumphreys]

No, Romero failing to track a run from further out the box is still not on Vicario.

What do you mean Romero messed up as well? Exactly how did Vicario mess up here, on this particular corner? Is it the bolded part? Is your point that Vicario should have saved the header? I don't agree with that, but that would be a point I understand.

Because the rest is just criticism of a fantasy scenario where Arsenal didn't set up the way they did and Vicario could have had a more advanced starting position and collect that ball. But that wasn't the reality of the situation. The reality was he had a wall of meat in front of him and a player on the other side of that wall got to head the ball completely unmarked.

Sorry still disagree. Romaro is also poor. It’s in the middle of the 6 yard box. Any strong keeper clears it.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

It wasn’t Vicario who was stood next to Gabriel and just let him get a free header. Romero went under the ball. Romero also responsible for the Leicester goal when he went running off towards the ball.
Last season we didn’t let a goal in from a corner till Xmas. It was the city goal in the cup that started all this.
We are supposed to have 2 top class centre backs so why do these goals keep going in. There must be a case for Dragusin. He is good in the air, he needs to be given a chance.
Vic has faults, no doubt. But he is not on his own.