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double0

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Getting Lo Celso on loan Levy imo showed he’s hand regarding Pochettino and not backing him in the transfer 100% . I do worry Mourinho won’t use him and Ndombele.

Hope I’m wrong
 

Haddock

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Getting Lo Celso on loan Levy imo showed he’s hand regarding Pochettino and not backing him in the transfer 100% . I do worry Mourinho won’t use him and Ndombele.

Hope I’m wrong

I'd say that it's widely acknowledged that the "loan deal" was simply an arrangement that suited Betis better. Something to do with a sell on clause from PSG.
 

pelayo59

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Getting Lo Celso on loan Levy imo showed he’s hand regarding Pochettino and not backing him in the transfer 100% . I do worry Mourinho won’t use him and Ndombele.

Hope I’m wrong

Getting Lo Celso on loan showed backing Pochettino in 100% because we were close to Dybala.
 

phillipjpalmer

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Most annoying is that eriksen is getting more game time, I know it's a results game and eriksen knows the league but the guy is going to be off, look to the future and get lo celso as many minutes as possible to bed in and acclimatise
 

Spurs_Bear

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Getting Lo Celso on loan was nothing to do with backing anyone, it was as usual, the cheapest way for Teflon to do the deal. Everything else comes second.
 
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Getting Lo Celso on loan was nothing to do with backing anyone, it was as usual, the cheapest way for Teflon to do the deal. Everything else comes second.
Yeah, shame the out going manager put off playing him though.

Summer window looks a shambles right now.
 

BringBack_leGin

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You disagree you handsome fuck?
I do and I don’t. I do feel yes, there’s truth in what you say that it was the cheapest way for Levy to do it, while also satisfying Betis need to get the margin they wanted, but I don’t think this is a sign of failing to back Pochettino as ultimately he got the player he wanted. I just think it was the only way to get Pochettino his player, give Betis their margin and still keep the cost within reason. He found a way to make everyone happy in my opinion, which he used to be great at but less so in recent years. Hopefully the result is that there’s more money in the kitty to make the obvious improvements necessary across the next two windows.
 

Spurs_Bear

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I do and I don’t. I do feel yes, there’s truth in what you say that it was the cheapest way for Levy to do it, while also satisfying Betis need to get the margin they wanted, but I don’t think this is a sign of failing to back Pochettino as ultimately he got the player he wanted. I just think it was the only way to get Pochettino his player, give Betis their margin and still keep the cost within reason. He found a way to make everyone happy in my opinion, which he used to be great at but less so in recent years. Hopefully the result is that there’s more money in the kitty to make the obvious improvements necessary across the next two windows.
Cult.
 

Nick-TopSpursMan

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And after one PL match from start in the position you say he is suited for, you have surmised that Lo Celso is consistent? How do you know?He had a fairly forgettable match performing slightly worse than the most mundane performances from Lucas, but you know already that Lo Celso better, AND more determined? The only reason fans want Lo Celso to play is that he's played so little that the illusion of a shiny new signing still lingers.

Look, you've clearly never watched Lo Celso play before he signed with us, which is fine.

But I have, I watched him many times for Betis last season and I've seen him for PSG too. He is a quality player with a very high ceiling.

So no, the reason I want Lo Celso to play isn't because he's a shiny new signing, it's because he is a bloody good player with the skills and attributes to improve us. Added to this, many of our current players are under performing, don't want to be here or aren't good enough, where as Lo Celso works hard, is good enough and has the quality to make a difference to our team.

Oh and he was easily our best player against Sheffield Utd (following on from an excellent performance against Red Star away), he was the only one comfortable on the ball, trying to make things happen.

Simple as that really.
 

buckley

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I don't know how you can judge anybody until they have actually played a few games otherwise its guesswork .
For goodness sake give the bloke a chance to show us what he's got because 10 minutes here 5 minutes there is not a fair way to judge .
Some are saying Sessegnon is not good enough and he has not even played except for a few minutes in one game .
I can judge a few of the regulars Moura / Dier / Aurier / Wanyama / to name but a few are not up to it but putting Wanyama in there may seem contradictory but he seems gone completely .If ever there is a time to find out about Lo Celso / Ndombele / Sessegnon it is now as at this moment we are going nowhere and its a free hit to find out if they have got it .
 

Everlasting Seconds

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Look, you've clearly never watched Lo Celso play before he signed with us, which is fine.
Nobody has watched him very much in PL for Tottenham after signing for us, which really is what matters. I don't count La Liga in general as a valid platform for direct comparison to PL, as there are plenty of teams that's no better than Championship level. Which ties in with your argument about Crvena zvezda. Very many player were playing very well vs. them, so again not really a yardstick. Vs. Sheffield United he was a slight improvement on what Sissoko brings to that role, but not much more. Which I don't really blame him for, it being his first PL start in a turbulent season. My problem is that fans declare him as the solution to all our worries, when he obviously is not at this specific point, and if it continues he might not even stay at Tottenham for that long.
 

cliff jones

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that cult Eriksen is the problem here. Or rather the Head Coaches who keep playing him. GLC should be first change, instead of him, which would give him more chance to establish himself. It's fkin pointless picking Eriksen.
 

Nick-TopSpursMan

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Nobody has watched him very much in PL for Tottenham after signing for us, which really is what matters. I don't count La Liga in general as a valid platform for direct comparison to PL, as there are plenty of teams that's no better than Championship level. Which ties in with your argument about Crvena zvezda. Very many player were playing very well vs. them, so again not really a yardstick. Vs. Sheffield United he was a slight improvement on what Sissoko brings to that role, but not much more. Which I don't really blame him for, it being his first PL start in a turbulent season. My problem is that fans declare him as the solution to all our worries, when he obviously is not at this specific point, and if it continues he might not even stay at Tottenham for that long.

That's a really arrogant and ignorant view of La Liga, considering the low quality of so many Premier League teams this season.

Like with any league, there are some very good sides, some average sides and some poor sides in La Liga. It is a good standard of league though.

I guess Lo Celso's MotM performances against Real Madrid home and away and excellent performances against Barcelona don't count for much? Or are they no better than Championship level?
 

jezz

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If this guy doesn't a chance after watching Sissoko Winks and Moura put in sub par performances Mourhino won't be here that long.
 
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that cult Eriksen is the problem here. Or rather the Head Coaches who keep playing him. GLC should be first change, instead of him, which would give him more chance to establish himself. It's fkin pointless picking Eriksen.

Well he's the better player right now and we need to win, and as Mou said GLC needs time to adapt to the PL.
 

Spurs_Bear

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Well he's the better player right now and we need to win, and as Mou said GLC needs time to adapt to the PL.
These are the cold, hard facts unfortunately. I'd like to see them both in the same team but if we're being realistic, Eriksen is ahead of Lo Celso in the pecking order.
 
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