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WiganSpur

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I think his stance has been like that since the deadwood we have bought because plan A was ballsed up and we have been left with players no other club wants. That in itself is as bad a problem. If you can’t get the player you want, why buy someone crap who doesn’t improve the squad or even gets a sniff of playing taking up wages and wasting a a transfer fee. You are doubly effed as you have to shift a player to make space for plan a the following transfer window. My take on it anyway.
I see your point, but I think the whole 3rd and 4th choice options being Championship standard is blown a bit out of proportion.

The reality is we had players in the squad from last season that can easily be improved upon. Dier, Wanyama, Trippier, Aurier, Llorente, Janssen, GKN.

There's plenty of footballers out there who are far better than those that we have, even if they aren't top of the list.

Last season, Andre Gomes was a good example. Tielemans also. A much better option than Dier and Wanyama even though he was clearly not a first choice target. Playing every week for Everton and Leicester Gomes and Tielemans are hardly in the Janssen & GKN bracket. The truth is I see the point about not signing plan Bs, but imo the biggest reason why we continue to be trophy less despite the quality first XI and elite mentality is because we can't compete on multiple fronts because there are huge gaps in the squad time and time again.

Sometimes, we need to think a little bit more short and medium term rather than just the long term.
 
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Primativ

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Ally Gold.

I thought Poch was a little tough the other day in responding to my Alderweireld question the way he did. Today he slapped down poor @RobGuesty for simply suggesting Erik Lamela looked sharp. The Spurs boss is not a happy bunny.
 

George94

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I'll reserve judgement until the end of the window.

It is easy to forget we've signed Ndombele, early in the window, and he's got a full preseason under his belt. That's a massive win for us because he looks brilliant, and a new midfielder was the majority of our number one priorities this summer.

We've already been told not to expect all the positions that need addressing to be sorted in one window (our own fault for not signing anyone in 10 about years)...

I still expect us to sign Lo Celso, but can see us not signing Sessengon (annoyingly) because we haven't managed to move Rose on.
 

Giovanni

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Haha okok i shall remember you guys who are knocking how i see things. As i said its upto levy to change my thoughts but they are what they are.

Of coarse there will always be others willing to feed the cash cow that is enic but i wont until i see that there heart is in it. Poch has my backing even if he walked out on the eve of the season because i see it from him, i believe he desires the glory. Levy and enic are merely advertising what is of coarse a beautiful stadium and club but that is all.

I will always be a spurs fan just as i always have but will not peddle along with those who think all is rosy.
 

McFlash

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If things were to remain as they are then......
Am i sick in the mind for almost wanting poch to walk just to teach levy a lesson?

I was loosing sleep over whether to renew my season ticket which cost 2200 and i decided not to and boy will i feel bad for those who have if things stay as they are on the transfer front.

Levy has lost me, its up to him to change that.
I don't know how old you are but if you've decided not to renew your season ticket this season because of transfers, you're either a very new fan or if I'm being brutally honest, an idiot.
This has been the best period to support Spurs for decades!

You were very lucky to have a season ticket in the first place and unless there are other reasons for giving it up, and you're using this like a bit of a drama queen, we're better off without the likes of you in the stadium.
 

YidRowe

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Nice...

Sick of all the negative shit flying around recently, seriously getting bored of it.
Just watched another impressive performance by our boys, coys.

So you don't think some of the negativity is justified mate? We lost over Twenty games last season, you can't just blame that on a World Cup hangover. Our squad proved to be not good enough and we barely scraped Top 4. N'Dombele looks a beast but is a straight swap for Dembele which was always needed. We need new players, it's as simple as that. Our squad was depleted last year and we've lost Tripps, Vorm & Llorente meaning we're currently weaker in terms of numbers. If we don't sign anybody else, it'll be absolutely criminal given the stadium is finished, we announced record profits last year, made nearly £100 million from the Champions league alone and also recently announced our biggest ever kit deal with AIA. Only so much you can penny pinch and try and develop players! Over to you Levy boy ?
 

Matrix

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I see your point, but I think the whole 3rd and 4th choice options being Championship standard is blown a bit out of proportion.

The reality is we had players in the squad from last season that can easily be improved upon. Dier, Wanyama, Trippier, Aurier, Llorente, Janssen, GKN.

There's plenty of footballers out there who are far better than those who we could sign, even if they aren't top of the list.

Last season, Andre Gomes was a good example. Tielemans also. A much better option than Dier and Wanyama even though he was clearly not a first choice target. Playing every week for Everton and Leicester Gomes and Tielemans are hardly in the Janssen & GKN bracket. The truth is I see the point about not signing plan Bs, but imo the biggest reason why we continue to be trophy less despite the quality first XI and elite mentality is because we can't compete on multiple fronts because there are huge gaps in the squad time and time again.

Sometimes, we need to think a little bit more short and medium term rather than just the long term.

The point is trying to make is, that your Jansens, GKNs Llorentes are difficult to move on as we have seen. The squad places are not infinite and there isn’t a bottomless pit for wages. That I think has been the problem. In the end we had to take a massive loss on Vinny just to get him out. GKN has been on loan at countless places with no takers. Wanyamma will be hard to sell do to him being unlikely to pass a medical. Dier is probably the only one you could get decent Money on but the interest has to be there in principle so you could ship him out as soon as his replacement was in.
 

Dirtysanchez6

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Wonder what all the happy clappers are going to say when poch inevitably walks at his next opportunity due to lack of backing and the club changing mentality and the ways it does dealings like he kept mentioning at the end of the season
 
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Why do we have a group of people all posting the same rhetoric in this thread? It's the same cadence and everything lol.

How desperate are some people?
 

BringBack_leGin

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Wonder what all the happy clappers are going to say when poch inevitably walks at his next opportunity due to lack of backing and the club changing mentality and the ways it does dealings like he kept mentioning at the end of the season
Wonder what all the doom mongers are going to say when for the 3rd/4th year running Pochettino doesn’t quit like some petulant child who didn’t get the toy he wants as they’d predicted?
 

Giovanni

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I don't know how old you are but if you've decided not to renew your season ticket this season because of transfers, you're either a very new fan or if I'm being brutally honest, an idiot.
This has been the best period to support Spurs for decades!

You were very lucky to have a season ticket in the first place and unless there are other reasons for giving it up, and you're using this like a bit of a drama queen, we're better off without the likes of you in the stadium.

"The likes of you". Oh please. I am voicing my opinion just as you are. Just because it doesnt stack up with what you think i dont think that gives you the right to call me out and make assumptions about me.
This is the best time for one reason only and that is poch. Why? Because he has worked miracles with what he has been given! He has been racing against ferraris and Lamborghinis using a fiat punto. If you want to applaud levy for that then so be it but your wrong.
 

journeyman

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Ally Gold.

I thought Poch was a little tough the other day in responding to my Alderweireld question the way he did. Today he slapped down poor @RobGuesty for simply suggesting Erik Lamela looked sharp. The Spurs boss is not a happy bunny.

I’m worried about tone of Poch comments too. Very disgruntled, clear message for Levy. Hope latter delivers.
 

ebzrascal

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I'll reserve judgement until the end of the window.

It is easy to forget we've signed Ndombele, early in the window, and he's got a full preseason under his belt. That's a massive win for us because he looks brilliant, and a new midfielder was the majority of our number one priorities this summer.

We've already been told not to expect all the positions that need addressing to be sorted in one window (our own fault for not signing anyone in 10 about years)...

I still expect us to sign Lo Celso, but can see us not signing Sessengon (annoyingly) because we haven't managed to move Rose on.

happy to see Rose stay if he can remain fit even if it means waiting another year for Sess
 

Bofrok

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https://twitter.com/MikeKeegan_DM
The tweet says:
https://twitter.com/MikeKeegan_DM

@MikeKeegan_DM

We asked Pochettino about transfers. He wasn't happy: 'Maybe the club need to change my title. My job is to coach the team - it's not a question for me its one for the club...it's not in my hands.'

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It looks to me as if the reply has been reworded and taken out of context by Mike(?) a Daily Mail Sports News Reporter and Sports Agenda columnist.

From Poch's post match press conference:

In the past you've said there's a difference between being a coach and a manager and the way transfers are not your responsibility, would you like them to be your responsibility?


"The club need to change my title and description, no? My job now is to coach the team. It's not a question for me, it's a question for the club and maybe they change my title and description. I told you before I am not in charge about the individual situations. Of course I am the boss deciding the strategic play, training, mentology and philosophy are my areas, but in another area I don't know. Today, I feel like I am the coach."

Why has this changed?


"I cannot answer, it's not me. I am only the person that is on the touchline managing the team. The question is not for me and I do not have answer. I tell you what is my responsibility."


Surely the manager must have some say in which players arrive and which stay?


"It's difficult to talk like this but I think it's not in my hands. Only I describe the situation of what happens and I think it's important for the players and people to know that I am going to be, like I told you before, that I will be happy with the squad that the club are going to provide to me. Of course we will give our best. My mood is always the same and my emotional balance is always similar. I am emotional, but I am a person like everyone that thinks a lot. Only I describe the situation to make clear that if you have some question that I am not the person that is going to answer what you want."
 
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