Player Watch Player Watch: Giovani Lo Celso

[Spurrific]

Mate, your the voice of reason and all that but thats not how I run my household budget. I look for the bargains first

You must be the bloke that walks in the sales room and has the salesman rubbing his hands in anticipation with a gleam in his eye.

Your household budget has absolutely no relevance to buying a footballer and we actually have a few guys at the club who deal with the reality of buying players, rather than washing up liquid and economy toilet roll.

You're waffling a lot of bollocks. The people in charge of the financials of the club know immeasurably more than you about our budget and what we can afford. I suggest you worry about topping up on whatever you've got to grab from Asda, rather than shitting your pants about who/what the club deem affordable.

 

[Flashspur]

This is such a simplistic take on it and is something that could be directed at every decent sized club in the world. Given that we've had pretty much zero net spend for the last 7 or 8 years and still regularly qualify for the champions league and came within 90 minutes of winning it I think it's fair to say we do better than most. It's all about risk management, the reason that the like of N'Dombele and Lo Celso are going for such big money is that they have proved themselves over a certain period of time at a certain standard of competition.

The likes of Ajax, Benfica & Betis can afford to take more risks on young, untested players because they play in less competitive leagues and/or don't have the same pressures. None of this is to say that our scouting set up cannot be improved, I'm sure it can, but to moan about not signing superstars before they become superstars just shows completely unrealistic expectations. If it was that easy everyone would be doing it. When you are signing unproven players for lower fees, for every Dele Alli there is an Adel Taraabt.

Why is that unrealistic? Thats the game that Levy's been playing for years now. Signing superstars before they are superstars. That is Spurs down to a T my friend. Where have you been?

 

[SpartanSpur]

The problem is that the closer you get to the top of the pyramid, the harder it is to make this work. Chelsea have one of the most successful youth setups in Europe and massively struggle to integrate players, City too.

A lot of the reason these stars appear in foreign leagues is because they get quality game time in a real competition, playing in title challenges in a top 6 style. If you loan out a PL youth player to a lesser PL side, they tend to play survival football. The problem is you can't just loan youth players to Benfica, Ajax, Roma or Porto and let them develop them for you, it's their whole business model so they need to play their own players.

Liverpool have shown how it's done once you get to a certain point. You're best chance on taking that last step is scouting a top quality option and paying what it takes to get them. You can keep scattergun searching for bargains like a Roma or Sevilla but that probably just leaves you in a perpetual loop of being nearly men.

Poch has been talking up Liverpool's transfer business all season, and it ended up paying dividends at our expense sadly. Plus the stadium was built to let us compete with the big boys on wages and transfer fees, it was the whole point.

I think this more in response to the @Flashspur post as the one quoted to be fair.

I'd also like us to go out and scout more gems early, but at the same time we need to adapt to our new standing as one of the top 10-15 clubs in Europe. Regardless I think this is more of a one off revamp window anyway, I wouldn't expect us to be dropping £150m+ every year.

Finally, despite these being big money players they have still been scouted. They look made for Poch's style and are both young. I'm sure a casual FIFA player would probably give you a list of more well known stars in each position in this price bracket, that might not be as good a fit.

 

[Flashspur]

Your household budget has absolutely no relevance to buying a footballer and we actually have a few guys at the club who deal with the reality of buying players, rather than washing up liquid and economy toilet roll.

You're waffling a lot of bollocks. The people in charge of the financials of the club know immeasurably more than you about our budget and what we can afford. I suggest you worry about topping up on bin bags instead of concerning yourself with what the club deem affordable.

I'd expect a bollocks response from you mate. Where have you been hiding lately. I've missed your shite.

 

[KaribYid]

After years of complaining how we weren't spending enough, now the complaint is that we're spending too much. I love our fanbase

 

[Zummerzet Spur]

Looks like he has the potential to be our next Modric! Sign him up!

Looks to have all of Eriksen’s qualities with the added ability to tackle!

 

[Dzejkob]

I'd expect a bollocks response from you mate. Where have you been hiding lately. I've missed your shite.

Dude, chillout. Why are you so angry about us signing great players? I'm excited as hell.

 

[rawhide]

After years of complaining how we weren't spending enough, now the complaint is that we're spending too much. I love our fanbase

Especially as we haven’t actually spent any yet.

And more importantly - it’s neither our money nor our decision!

 

[Flashspur]

Your household budget has absolutely no relevance to buying a footballer and we actually have a few guys at the club who deal with the reality of buying players, rather than washing up liquid and economy toilet roll.

You're waffling a lot of bollocks. The people in charge of the financials of the club know immeasurably more than you about our budget and what we can afford. I suggest you worry about topping up on whatever you've got to grab from Asda, rather than shitting your pants about who/what the club deem affordable.

You shouldnt edit your posts. Thats weak as piss. I thought the first one was less gutless. Hit me with a flower next time will you champ

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

Mate, your the voice of reason and all that but thats not how I run my household budget. I look for the bargains first

You must be the bloke that walks in the sales room and has the salesman rubbing his hands in anticipation with a gleam in his eye.

Flashspur goes to charity shops for their kid’s Christmas presents, pass it on.

 

[Flashspur]

Dude, chillout. Why are you so angry about us signing great players? I'm excited as hell.

I am relaxed dude. I think he is a fantastic little player but way over priced.

 

[nailsy]

This is all well and good but this player went for 22m only a little while ago. Where were our scouts and Poch then? We are seeminlgy always late to the party. N'Dombele is the other one.

When Poch refused to buy in the last two windows both the Argentinian and the Frenchman were much much cheaper!!

Now we are getting rogered for a princely sum.

How many similar players are out there now that we could get at reasonable prices before they break out and are the Lo Celsco and N'Dombele of next season or the season after? Or is our coaching set up so piss poor that the scouts can only spot the bleeding fucking obvious. Maybe they should spend some time indoors playing FIFA 19.

Fucks sake, 85% of this board have been talking about Tanguy for a year or more.

When I look at our youth set up and the crap coming up through there, I think it would be better if Levy went out and bought the scouting team from Betis, Ajax or Benefica. That would be a better transfer window then the last three put together.

I get what you're saying, but it's not like we haven't tried buying young up and coming players like this in the past - Dier, N'Koudou, Alli, Janssen & Foyth for example. You can't fill the squad with up and coming prospects, you can probably gamble on one a year which is pretty much what we've tried to do in the past.

And you can say that Lo Celso went for 22M a year ago, but do you think that would've been the final fee if an English club was involved? It would've been a lot closer to £30M and then you'd get people asking why we're paying that much for a PSG flop. I guess on the flip side you cold probably say that if we pay £70M/£80M now and he does well he could be worth twice that in a year or two.

 

[Spurrific]

You shouldnt edit your posts. Thats weak as piss. I thought the first one was less gutless. Hit me with a flower next time will you champ

You're a proper weird guy, aren't you? Are you really 62? If anything, I edited the post to imply you couldn't control your sphincter, far more rude than my initial rendition.

 

[wrd]

I think we are trying to strike a balance between looking for gems in the market (we're looking at Clarke, Sessegnon, Skov Olsen) for example and then signing premium talent. You can't rely just on hoping to sign talent which might come good, it can leave you in a constant transition as parts of your squad age as the players you sign finally become ready and then you never arrive at a point where you can compete.

We have worked hard to finally be in a position where we can be the team that buys the premium players and compete with the rest of europe, of course not all our signings will be like that but certainly 1 or 2. It's a balance.

 

[Dzejkob]

I am relaxed dude. I think he is a fantastic little player but way over priced.

True. But what can we do? That's the market. If we don't pay those prices we will be back again a 6 place team.

 

[biscuit]

A well run club has a good scouting set up and can spot the good ones well in advance. We seem do be doing sweet fuck all in that area.

I dont mind the player. I think he is a brilliant up and coming talent. It just pisses me off that we are now over a barrel and have to stump up big time.

Kane £0
Winks £0
Skipp £0
Rose £1.0m
Trippier £3.5m
Dier £4.0m
Alli £5.0m
Davies c £5.0m
Vertongen £10.5m
Wanyama £11.0m
Eriksen £11.0m
Alderweireld £11.5m
Lloris
Son £22.0m

Even allowing for the crazy levels of inflation those players, signed up on long-term contracts, would, combined, be worth a tidy bit more than we spent on them.

 

[Flashspur]

Flashspur goes to charity shops for their kid’s Christmas presents, pass it on.

For someone who named himself after labia I've would have stopped there. It was the high point of your comedy career.

Childish humour is also causing you to overeach somewhat Sarge, I mean intellectually. Better stop there before you hurt yourself.

 

[Flashspur]

Kane £0
Winks £0
Skipp £0
Rose £1.0m
Trippier £3.5m
Dier £4.0m
Alli £5.0m
Davies c £5.0m
Vertongen £10.5m
Wanyama £11.0m
Eriksen £11.0m
Alderweireld £11.5m
Lloris
Son £22.0m

Even allowing for the crazy levels of inflation those players, signed up on long-term contracts, would, combined, be worth a tidy bit more than we spent on them.

Ergo my point earlier my learned friend. That is the Spurs model. Buying superstars before they are superstars. That is not what we are doing now.

 

[wrd]

let's simmer down a bit, it's barely june, our transfers won't be one or the other, we will balance it out. We can't scout every league looking for talents before they become the big deals that are sought after and we've built a stadium so we can compete at the top table. My understanding is our loan repayments per year are under half off what we stand to earn per year from stadium revenue alone and that yearly fee goes down as there is less interest as we pay more off. We've built our stadium in different financial circumstances to Arsenal, it can be different for us.

 

[absolute bobbins]

Well i give a fuck you muppet because this club is carrying a huge debt from the stadium and I dont want us getting ripped off again. I dont think we can sustain a net 185m quid transfer cost which is what it will cost us to get this guy, the Frenchie and Sess. Thats bonkers money. And thats even before we start talking FB's.

Thats more then your fricken pocket money danger mouse.

Plus you can just see us getting ripped off with our dead wood and Eriksen running down his contract.

Why are you talking about debt as though we are about to default?