Player Watch: Giovani Lo Celso

[spursfan77]

Who cares? It's about us not about them, and selling to the highest bidder so we can reinvest as much as possible should be all that matters for a player that is not going to feature at all.

Definitely. He obviously isnt suited to English football at all. If anything, Villa wasting their money on him is the preferable option for me. We wont regret it if he goes there.

 

[freeeki]

Every single window for many many years now, it feels like we've started on the back foot due to having so much dead wood to clear.

So far this summer, we've shifted Hojbjerg, Emerson, Tanganga, Rodon, Gil, Ndombele, Sessegnon, and Dier, in addition to already shifting Winks, Sanchez, Moura and Lloris last season.

It feels like the clearout is close to completion, with realistically only Reguilon, Lo Celso and maybe Skipp to go.

We can't keep going into transfer windows being held back by a lack of outgoings - if a reasonable offer comes in for Lo Celso, from anyone, he should be hurried out the door and off the wage bill.

 

[spursfan77]

Every single window for many many years now, it feels like we've started on the back foot due to having so much dead wood to clear.

So far this summer, we've shifted Hojbjerg, Emerson, Tanganga, Rodon, Gil, Ndombele, Sessegnon, and Dier, in addition to already shifting Winks, Sanchez, Moura and Lloris last season.

It feels like the clearout is close to completion, with realistically only Reguilon, Lo Celso and maybe Skipp to go.

We can't keep going into transfer windows being held back by a lack of outgoings - if a reasonable offer comes in for Lo Celso, from anyone, he should be hurried out the door and off the wage bill.

Our wage to turnover was the lowest in the league before this summer. Now the amount we have to spend on wages must be huge. If we want to of course. He must be on a decent wedge too. He's not a bad player in Spain. But can they afford his wages? Maybe if we dont charge them a high transfer fee?

 

[Japhet]

Yes I appreciate that point but it doesn't affect anything I'm saying. I'd rather he was sold to a team not competing with us.

FWIW, it was other posters referring to him being not good enough, not you

If he has to go I'd rather get the top price for him, which won't be from a team not competing with us. Spanish teams have been taking the piss with the money they've been offering. I say 'fuck 'em'.

 

[Dave1882]

Lo Celso has largely been a total disaster of a signing for us - let somebody else deal with him would be my view and the more cash we can get for him the better.

Agree, but we can all see theres a player there and his stats are pretty good for mins his played. I think he'll do well at his next club

 

[TPdYID]

Agree, but we can all see theres a player there

But that’s the issue. We’d love to see a run of games to judge him. He’s never fit for Spurs, but is miraculously fit for national team selection.

 

[murichej]

sell him to highest bidder, and look no back.

we should only focus on ourselves, and not really care about villa or any other team strengthening. they will always want to strengthen regardless if we sell them the player that strengths them, or somebody else.

 

[spursfan77]

 

[tubbygold]

I give that about 3,7% chance of happening.

 

[Locotoro]

Buying power is completely irrelevant. I've listed players there that City sold to Chelsea, two clubs who you say can both practically buy up the market so are a similar level.

If this were a regular starter for us who we desperately wanted to keep I'd have different feelings about this but it isn't. Refusing to sell a player we don't want and isn't going to play to the highest bidder really is the definition of cutting your nose off to spite your face.

Fans moan and moan and moan about what we need to do to improve but when push comes to shove they throw in so many caveats on how that improvement has to take place it becomes almost impossible to move forward. We have been trying to Sell GLC for decent money for 3 years, 3 sodding years! We finally get someone interested and might actually give us some money back and it's, yeah, "but not to them"........

With respect, I disagree.
The buying power is very relevant. City have shown it doesn't matter to them if they sell Adebayor, Zinchenko or who ever to rivals because they can and will go and get the top players on earth and Chelsea has done that too by being comfortable paying wages that no one else can afford

I've never said we shouldn't sell him. We can sell him to Betis who are also interested. The likely difference in price is not even likely to be 5m. So yes whilst cutting your nose to spite your face you can guarantee Lo Celso won't come back and bite you in the backside and win games for villa which we all agree he's capable off. If he was shite I wouldn't care but he's actually a good player that has a history of coming good in big moments either with an assist or a goal. Is it worth the extra five million to have him lining up against us and potentially strengthening them.

 

[west indie]

Gio has done fresh air in our shirt for 4/5 years, take Villa's or any other prem clubs dough if they want him and reinvest

 

[Trix]

With respect, I disagree.
The buying power is very relevant. City have shown it doesn't matter to them if they sell Adebayor, Zinchenko or who ever to rivals because they can and will go and get the top players on earth and Chelsea has done that too by being comfortable paying wages that no one else can afford

I've never said we shouldn't sell him. We can sell him to Betis who are also interested. The likely difference in price is not even likely to be 5m. So yes whilst cutting your nose to spite your face you can guarantee Lo Celso won't come back and bite you in the backside and win games for villa which we all agree he's capable off. If he was shite I wouldn't care but he's actually a good player that has a history of coming good in big moments either with an assist or a goal. Is it worth the extra five million to have him lining up against us and potentially strengthening them.

Yes.

Again, I'm only concerned about us getting it right, and being the best we can be.

 

[felmani26]

They were last after Almiron last I heard so must've had an injection of capital

 

[vegassd]

With respect, I disagree.
The buying power is very relevant. City have shown it doesn't matter to them if they sell Adebayor, Zinchenko or who ever to rivals because they can and will go and get the top players on earth and Chelsea has done that too by being comfortable paying wages that no one else can afford

I've never said we shouldn't sell him. We can sell him to Betis who are also interested. The likely difference in price is not even likely to be 5m. So yes whilst cutting your nose to spite your face you can guarantee Lo Celso won't come back and bite you in the backside and win games for villa which we all agree he's capable off. If he was shite I wouldn't care but he's actually a good player that has a history of coming good in big moments either with an assist or a goal. Is it worth the extra five million to have him lining up against us and potentially strengthening them.

If I was presented with the choices of Betis or Villa for an extra £5m I would probably choose the Betis option myself. But it's not that simple is it. The buying club has to be able to stump up the money and get the deal completed, and the player has to agree to the terms of the deal as well. I imagine a deal with Villa is more likely to actually happen.

I think the bottom line needs to be that we beat our opponents by improving ourselves rather than trying to limit their improvement. If that means we sell to a rival then so be it.

The alternative could be that Villa buy a player that improves them anyway, and we don't manage to shift GLC. We miss out on the sale money, have to pay his wages for another year, and have a squad place taken up. That doesn't improve us in relation to Villa at all.

 

[DiscoD1882]

I mean he had a fair few last season alone.

A fair few?? Help me out here what did I miss?? When you look at players who have been here a similar amount of time. His contribution has been next to nothing. We all clamoured for him to play. And then he either did nothing. Or got injured.

 

[TPdYID]

The alternative could be that Villa buy a player that improves them anyway, and we don't manage to shift GLC. We miss out on the sale money, have to pay his wages for another year, and have a squad place taken up. That doesn't improve us in relation to Villa at all.

This ^^

 

[Moorpheus19]

When he goes, I won't miss how he used to get mysteriously injured in the run up to Argentina games and then actually get injured playing for them.

 

[TPdYID]

When he goes, I won't miss how he used to get mysteriously injured in the run up to Argentina games and then actually get injured playing for them.

Rinse & repeat over 4/5 years.

“But he’s one of Argentina's most consistent players” - I’ll take your word for it.

 

[Archibald-CPH]

I'm not saying he's no good, I'm saying he is been seen by those who matter as no good for us. You see him as strengthening a rival I see him as weakening Tottenham. My views on GLC the player are irrelevant because even if I thought he was the man to propel us to the title Ange isn't going to play him anyway. Right now all he actually is to us is a drain on resources, literally nothing more than that.

Harsh but true.

I still think he can make an impact if he got a run of games. But not going to happen. Big Ange has turned the thump down.

 

[kd2000]

I think there is an above average player who through a mixture of circumstances hasnt lived up to his potential and ability.
It really doesnt matter who we sell to because HE IS NOT good enough for us.
We need to sell him, and others for as much as we can get and in turn sign players who ARE good enough for us.

Ive seen some argue that they would accept less money for him to go abroad. Why?? that extra few mil might be the difference between someone who comes in and we class it as a solid 7 out of 10 singing, or an 8.
I think the team Ange is putting together is going to be less about individuals needing to be 9 out of 10 players than there being a team of 7 and 8's. Sum of their parts and all that