Player Watch: Giovani Lo Celso

[luRRka]

That's your incorrect interpretation. If you're somehow understanding something else from the words I am writing there's not an awful lot I can do to help.

Very simply, clubs do not like strengthening rivals and will avoid it where possible

But it's not strengthening a rival sending a crocked unsuited player to a prem team and the reason we didn't sell kane and modric to rival teams is because they were our best players

 

[Snarfalicious]

A player that was bought specifically for Poch at the time after we had missed out on Bruno Fernandes at the 11th hour. Interestingly N'Dombele bought for the same manager from his direct request

I feel like I just saw Santa Claus.

 

[mil1lion]

GLC not good enough for us. At the same time don't sell him to another PL team he's too good.

 

[he is you know!]

Not seen that reported anywhere. Would you mind sending me a link to where you heard that?

The reason behind Julian Alvarez's shock Atletico Madrid move explained, and here's how City could replace him | Sporting News

Manchester City's rising star Julian Alvarez is set to leave the Premier League champions for Atletico Madrid.

www.sportingnews.com

Looks like they are quoting Football Insider! May be another link somewhere.

 

[Trix]

Theres a big difference between us now and City/Chelsea eating at the top table. The market for teams buying their players and that those players would be happy to go to is much smaller. Example being Alvarez, I'm sure he would have gone for over 100m had it been Chelsea, Man Utd or Liverpool in for him and he would have strengthened anyone of those teams and it's reported Chelsea were in for him in a big way. But City chose to sell him abroad to a team that didn't directly compete with them.

Besides if we have any extra 10 million from Lo Celso that's not going to impact our spend

The example isn't Alvarez, it's Cole Palmer, Zinchenko, Sterling, Jesus, Mason Mount and I could go on and on. Alvarez wanted Spain nothing to do with not strengthening Chelsea.

 

[Locotoro]

But it's not strengthening a rival sending a crocked unsuited player to a prem team and the reason we didn't sell kane and modric to rival teams is because they were our best players

Maybe it's because whilst Lo Celso has been crocked for us but I have a feeling that going to villa would suit his needs and he'd be first choice option for them.

I appreciate he's not a good option for us but those saying it's because he's no good are mistaken. He's not a good option because he's generally unavailable.

 

[HildoSpur]

Maybe it's because whilst Lo Celso has been crocked for us I have a feeling that going to villa would suit his needs and he'd be first choice option for them.

I appreciate he's not a good option for us but those saying it's because he's no good are mistaken. He's not a good option because he's generally unavailable.

Based on what exactly? Because it can't be based on his years with us.

 

[djhotspur]

He’s had 4/5 managers to prove his worth for us. And he’s not been a regular for any of them. I couldn’t care less who we sell him to. Looks good in an Argentina shirt. But never done anything of note for us. I fact I can’t remember one stand out moment.

I mean he had a fair few last season alone.

 

[Locotoro]

The example isn't Alvarez, it's Cole Palmer, Zinchenko, Sterling, Jesus, Mason Mount and I could go on and on. Alvarez wanted Spain nothing to do with not strengthening Chelsea.

As I said earlier, we're not Man City or Chelsea. They can practically buy up the market of it's best players. Our buying power is more comparable to Liverpool and Arsenal

 

[Trix]

Maybe it's because whilst Lo Celso has been crocked for us but I have a feeling that going to villa would suit his needs and he'd be first choice option for them.

I appreciate he's not a good option for us but those saying it's because he's no good are mistaken. He's not a good option because he's generally unavailable.

I'm not saying he's no good, I'm saying he is been seen by those who matter as no good for us. You see him as strengthening a rival I see him as weakening Tottenham. My views on GLC the player are irrelevant because even if I thought he was the man to propel us to the title Ange isn't going to play him anyway. Right now all he actually is to us is a drain on resources, literally nothing more than that.

 

[Locotoro]

Based on what exactly? Because it can't be based on his years with us.

You're right, it's not based on his time with us. It's based on his move to Villarreal under the same manager where he took them to Semi final of champions league and was one of their best players. Emery would build the team around GLC

 

[TPdYID]

Maybe it's because whilst Lo Celso has been crocked for us but I have a feeling that going to villa would suit his needs

There’s part of his broader problem.

Consistently crocked for Spurs, yet available for national team selection.

 

[djhotspur]

I'm not saying he's no good, I'm saying he is been seen by those who matter as no good for us. You see him as strengthening a rival I see him as weakening Tottenham. My views on GLC the player are irrelevant because even if I thought he was the man to propel us to the title Ange isn't going to play him anyway. Right now all he actually is to us is a drain on resources, literally nothing more than that.

Exactly, that was made clear last season when we were crying out for some creativity and Gio when given the chance was absolutely quality each time yet ange refused to play him.
So sell him and get his wages gone to whoever and worry about building our squad that compete and not worry about the other teams

 

[Locotoro]

I'm not saying he's no good, I'm saying he is been seen by those who matter as no good for us. You see him as strengthening a rival I see him as weakening Tottenham. My views on GLC the player are irrelevant because even if I thought he was the man to propel us to the title Ange isn't going to play him anyway. Right now all he actually is to us is a drain on resources, literally nothing more than that.

Yes I appreciate that point but it doesn't affect anything I'm saying. I'd rather he was sold to a team not competing with us.

FWIW, it was other posters referring to him being not good enough, not you

 

[HildoSpur]

You're right, it's not based on his time with us. It's based on his move to Villarreal under the same manager where he took them to Semi final of champions league and was one of their best players. Emery would build the team around GLC

Well good luck to him if he does because he only plays one game out of every four or so based on his time here. He is just sitting taking a place of somebody who actually wants to be here in the squad - we don't rate him and he needs to move on for everybody's sake. If he goes to Villa that's fine by me.

 

[mil1lion]

You're right, it's not based on his time with us. It's based on his move to Villarreal under the same manager where he took them to Semi final of champions league and was one of their best players. Emery would build the team around GLC

Based on his time in La Liga then. He's not done it in this league for 4 different managers now.

 

[Trix]

As I said earlier, we're not Man City or Chelsea. They can practically buy up the market of it's best players. Our buying power is more comparable to Liverpool and Arsenal

Buying power is completely irrelevant. I've listed players there that City sold to Chelsea, two clubs who you say can both practically buy up the market so are a similar level.

If this were a regular starter for us who we desperately wanted to keep I'd have different feelings about this but it isn't. Refusing to sell a player we don't want and isn't going to play to the highest bidder really is the definition of cutting your nose off to spite your face.

Fans moan and moan and moan about what we need to do to improve but when push comes to shove they throw in so many caveats on how that improvement has to take place it becomes almost impossible to move forward. We have been trying to Sell GLC for decent money for 3 years, 3 sodding years! We finally get someone interested and might actually give us some money back and it's, yeah, "but not to them"........

 

[TPdYID]

Emery would build the team around GLC

What makes you think this?

John McGinn plays in a similar position, albeit more defensive and still has better numbers/stats than GLC, whilst being fit for selection.

I think most would agree, John McGinn is crap.

 

[SpursSteveLincs]

No, I'm not even comparing the players so I don't see where you're getting that from.
I'm stating, very clearly and succinctly, that clubs do care about not selling to rivals. Regardless of your view of Lo Celso's quality, or lack thereof - he would considerably improve Aston Villa.

I think you are missing i vital piece here. @Trix said that we 'want' to sell GLC and therefore shouldn't worry about who we sell him to as we think he isn't good enough for us. That absolutely was not the case for the other 2 players you mentioned. It's very different

 

[thfc1989]

I;'d much rather sell to Villa than Betis - they actually have money, unlike every time we try to sell to a Spanish club!