Player Watch: Erik Lamela

[dontcallme]

Thought chocking and chocks were for airplanes and choking or choke was what was intended in these replies
Not really a pedantic person

English isn’t his first language tbf.

 

[longtimespur]

English isn’t his first language tbf.

Fair enough, apologies if offence was taken. But the caution was there as I wasn't sure.

 

[ralvy]

Congratulations ralvy, you've pissed me off and it's only 6.30 on a Monday morning.

You're a shit fan and a terrible person.

Oh, I did something good today then, I'm so proud of myself.

Maybe I'm both a shit fan and a terrible person, but I don't see why I would be any worse than those fans turning their backs on Lamela and wanting him gone just because of his history with injuries. As opposed to those fans, I haven't stop supporting any of our players... I'm merely stating what a shit fucking job some of them did on what should have been the most important match of our history (specially Kane, who should have been honest with himself and place the interests of the club above his own), but I'm not eager for any of them to leave the club and I will be hoping this experience to benefit all of them in the long run.

 

[ralvy]

For me this isn't exactly how I see it . My primary disagreement is with Harry . He played exactly like he's played for most of 2019 , not choking . His inclusion in starting line-up was an insane decision , he then played as badly as before in 2019 so Final a continuation of his form .
CE put in a typical performance from this year too . He wants to go to RM so would have been doubly anxious to play well there in Final .
Not a chock for me...more of his continuing poor 2019 form.

Dele ? again continuation of form for me..poor form not a chock . He generally need to sort himself out , England are not starting him anymore , for good reason.
Finally Sonny . He has a history this year of fading out of games where our 2019 flatfooted Kane is playing . Its part of the Kane starting madness for me . Sonny went into his shell a bit rather than expressing himself as he has done in previous rounds . A chock ?
well maybe a half chock (OK chock joke is running thin !...its choke )

Yeah, I think I agree with you, and that just makes our situation even worse. But I do have hope that Son will understand he's meant to be a leader and not any more under Harry's shadow. The same with Lucas Moura and maybe even Lamela. Will Poch ever see it that way though?

 

[ralvy]

Fair enough, apologies if offence was taken. But the caution was there as I wasn't sure.

Don't be silly, that doesn't offend me. I actually apreciate that you have taken your time to correct me.

 

[tooey]

Oh, I did something good today then, I'm so proud of myself.

Maybe I'm both a shit fan and a terrible person, but I don't see why I would be any worse than those fans turning their backs on Lamela and wanting him gone just because of his history with injuries. As opposed to those fans, I haven't stop supporting any of our players... I'm merely stating what a shit fucking job some of them did on what should have been the most important match of our history (specially Kane, who should have been honest with himself and place the interests of the club above his own), but I'm not eager for any of them to leave the club and I will be hoping this experience to benefit all of them in the long run.

I was only joking though my horrendous sense of humour doesn't really shine through in text. I don't think you're a terrible person or a shit fan. You did depress me at 6.30 though

 

[longtimespur]

Don't be silly, that doesn't offend me. I actually apreciate that you have taken your time to correct me.

Ok thanks but there are 2 p's in appreciate

 

[MattPhilpott]

I think a lot of people think that with Erik Lamela it is a barrage of injuries, personal issues, inconsistency, unfulfilled potential and silly fouls/bookings...

If you squint hard enough though and look past all of that there is a player who gives everything for the white of Tottenham Hotspur whenever he plays, who, give a fully fit season, could be a 15 goal, 15 assist player, balancing the offensive and defensive aspects of the game...

The problem is though that after 6 years, Spurs fan’s eyes are starting to hurt and we simply cannot squint anymore. Yes he is an incredibly hard worker and can change a game when he is fit and available, but those days are few and far between.

It would sadden me greatly to let Lamela leave, however, I think we seriously have to take offers into consideration. Maybe In a slower league with lace pace and physicality he can shine and show us all the player he can be. Sadly, I don’t think he will ever be that player at this club.

 

[Bulletspur]

kane was not out of form, he was injured, are you not going to start him first game of next season then?

Where did I say that Kane was out of form? I said he was not match fit, a difference. Saying that, there is some co-relation between out of form and not being match fit. You are notorious for defending academy and ex academy players (nothing wrong with that), but sometimes to the detriment of rationality and common sense.

 

[Shadydan]

Oh, I did something good today then, I'm so proud of myself.

Maybe I'm both a shit fan and a terrible person, but I don't see why I would be any worse than those fans turning their backs on Lamela and wanting him gone just because of his history with injuries. As opposed to those fans, I haven't stop supporting any of our players... I'm merely stating what a shit fucking job some of them did on what should have been the most important match of our history (specially Kane, who should have been honest with himself and place the interests of the club above his own), but I'm not eager for any of them to leave the club and I will be hoping this experience to benefit all of them in the long run.

Calling them unreliable is a pretty big stretch away from what you're saying here. I suspect you are saying that because you're engaging in some form of tedious whatabouttery and feel the need to overly defend Lamela.

You can defend a player without needlesley slating another some of our own players. Lamela has got to the unreliable stage unfortunately because we cannot count on him now to be 100% fit throughout the season, it's that simple and his circumstance shouldn't be compared with how those 4 players played in a one off match, its a very strange comparison.

 

[Jenko]

The really shit spurs fans (and I have No one in particular in mind because I try not to judge) are looking for a new scapegoat. They're seeing that Trips might not be here next season and Sissoko is good now.

They're bricking it. Who to hate, who to hate? We all know there has to be one..... unfortunately.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

The really shit spurs fans (and I have No one in particular in mind because I try not to judge) are looking for a new scapegoat. They're seeing that Trips might not be here next season and Sissoko is good now.

They're bricking it. Who to hate, who to hate? We all know there has to be one..... unfortunately.

Don't worry, we've still got Dier for that. There's always an orderly queue forming to slag him off for no apparent reason.

 

[ralvy]

Calling them unreliable is a pretty big stretch away from what you're saying here. I suspect you are saying that because you're engaging in some form of tedious whatabouttery and feel the need to overly defend Lamela.

You can defend a player without needlesley slating another some of our own players. Lamela has got to the unreliable stage unfortunately because we cannot count on him now to be 100% fit throughout the season, it's that simple and his circumstance shouldn't be compared with how those 4 players played in a one off match, its a very strange comparison.

No, it's not a strange comparison. Some of you guys were saying that Lamela is unreliable, and my answer to that was that our so called Fab Four are also unreliable in their own ways. and the CL final is proof of that.

The point is, if we're gonna start with this BS of labeling some of our high quality players as unreliable just because they can't be perfect in every way, then we might as well go all the way and put that label onto any of our players who has earned it, instead of being hypocrites and simply using it over the easy targets. If that makes you feel uncomfortable, then boohoo.

Also, if you want to pretend the CL final is just a one off match then I won't stop you, but most competitors will tell you how wrong you are. FInals often reveal the true character of players and I liked what I saw from most of our team on that day... well, with the exception of Pochetino and our four front men. :/

 

[Shadydan]

No, it's not a strange comparison. Some of you guys were saying that Lamela is unreliable, and my answer to that was that our so called Fab Four are also unreliable in their own ways. and the CL final is proof of that.

The point is, if we're gonna start with this BS of labeling some of our high quality players as unreliable just because they can't be perfect in every way, then we might as well go all the way and put that label onto any of our players who has earned it, instead of being hypocrites and simply using it over the easy targets. If that makes you feel uncomfortable, then boohoo.

Also, if you want to pretend the CL final is just a one off match then I won't stop you, but most competitors will tell you how wrong you are. FInals often reveal the true character of players and I liked what I saw from most of our team on that day... well, with the exception of Pochetino and our four front men. :/

Yeah like I said classic whatabouttery, you can bring up other irrelevant points all you like but it doesn't refute anything what people have said about him.

Look I actually like Lamela but there's no need to be childish about it. I know your obsession with him is bordering on Paolo's obsession with Trippier but you need to admit that we can't rely on him anymore due to his injury record and move on.

Can't even be arsed to get into the nonsene about the CL final, your logic is twisted let's just leave that there...

 

[VoteMe4Prez]

I'd still like him to stay next season. There is a hell of a player in there but it's the fitness issue that ever looms.

 

[BC87X]

The really shit spurs fans (and I have No one in particular in mind because I try not to judge) are looking for a new scapegoat. They're seeing that Trips might not be here next season and Sissoko is good now.

They're bricking it. Who to hate, who to hate? We all know there has to be one..... unfortunately.

I don't think the scapegoat narrative can be applied here.

The fact that we all have witnessed Sissoko's turn around so much that he was the Player's Player of the Season and became a fan favorite speaks volumes of what is possible for a player to accomplish and there there is absolutely no room for excuses for Lamela.

He has had 6 years to build his legacy and it has been an extremely underwhelming legacy. He will be remembered for a rabona goal vs. some 3rd tier team he scored in Europa League, his stamp on Cesc, his fouls and effort, but a huge majority will remember him as a injury prone player that never lived up to the hype as the £30Mil crown jewel which was supposed to replace Bale that Summer.

 

[ralvy]

Yeah like I said classic whatabouttery, you can bring up other irrelevant points all you like but it doesn't refute anything what people have said about him.

Look I actually like Lamela but there's no need to be childish about it. I know your obsession with him is bordering on Paolo's obsession with Trippier but you need to admit that we can't rely on him anymore due to his injury record and move on.

Can't even be arsed to get into the nonsene about the CL final, your logic is twisted let's just leave that there...

Okay, so just a few months ago you couldn't be arsed to discuss with me why Lloris wasn't the mistakes machine some people here were claiming and why he indeed is a top GK, and now you can't be arsed to discuss the shit display of our Fab Four in the CL final and why that means they can too be deemed unreliable. Look, if that's going to be your attitude towards people, then you're better off not using discussion forums.

There's nothing nonsensical or childish about what I'm saying, you just want to believe concerns shouldn't be raised about the reliability of our main front men. That's fine and all, but it's not supported by the latest and perhaps most conclusive bit of evidence we have.

Also, to call me obsessed about Lamela just because I happen to defend or support him on this thread every now and then simply denotes how annoying you find positive words about him. Perhaps I'm not the one who's obsessed about him?

 

[SteveH]

whatabouttery

Yeh?

 

[Gassin's finest]

I think Lamela is another who would walk over hot coals for Poche, and will never leave as long as the other is here. He gives his all for us, and if nothing else, I'll support him for that.

 

[Shadydan]

Okay, so just a few months ago you couldn't be arsed to discuss with me why Lloris wasn't the mistakes machine some people here were claiming and why he indeed is a top GK, and now you can't be arsed to discuss the shit display of our Fab Four in the CL final and why that means they can too be deemed unreliable. Look, if that's going to be your attitude towards people, then you're better off not using discussion forums.

There's nothing nonsensical or childish about what I'm saying, you just want to believe concerns shouldn't be raised about the reliability of our main front men. That's fine and all, but it's not supported by the latest and perhaps most conclusive bit of evidence we have.

Also, to call me obsessed about Lamela just because I happen to defend or support him on this thread every now and then simply denotes how annoying you find positive words about him. Perhaps I'm not the one who's obsessed about him?

This is exactly the reason why I don't bother getting into anything with you, you've either forgotten why I didn't want to carry on the debate or you're just lying through your teeth. I said De Gea is arguably better than Lloris because he's been more consistent over a similar period, to me it's obvious however merely an opinion yet you want to get into a debate about it and it's been proven that you can't comprehend other viewpoints, I'm taking the if we can't agree then just disagree - you should just accept that.

It's the same here, you want to debate about something which is clearly obvious about Lamela, we can't rely on him anymore because of his injury record, why is that so hard to understand? I don't get why you think people are disrespecting him and you need to defend him when it's the truth? Why feel the need to make another irrelevant point about our other players in a derogatory way? In regards to your argument why does one match take precedent over a million others when those players played a part in getting us to the final and are heavily responsible for our progress as a club now?

I find positive words about him annoying, give over FFS You're just literally proving my point - arguing with you is fucking tedious and boring hence why I can't be arsed.