Eric Dier

[ardiles]

The DM position should be rotated between Dier, Skipp and possibly Foyth, until we can get a proper DM in Jan or the summer.

 

[spids]

The DM position should be rotated between Dier, Skipp and possibly Foyth, until we can get a proper DM in Jan or the summer.

Couple of questions...

1. Why rotate rather than let one player get a run of games to become sharper / better?
2. Why not try other players in CM who have actually played there before (like Lo Celso)?

 

[TEESSIDE1]

Couple of questions...

1. Why rotate rather than let one player get a run of games to become sharper / better?
2. Why not try other players in CM who have actually played there before (like Lo Celso)?

Lo Celso can play in central midfield and he’s very energetic and tenacious in the tackle... until we sign a new DM he’s more than capable of being the short term answer.

 

[Dzejkob]

Dier even when was playing his best football at Spurs, he was no where near best Wanyama. I don't know why people are expecting him to be our soultion at DM. I like Dier, he seems professional and very good guy, be he is not good enough. He can have good game but in long term he is not a solution.

Changing his position so often is doing him harm. If he has any future in international level it's in defence IMHO.

 

[dagraham]

This is just one example of the problem with playing Dier

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An example of his poor positional sense from yesterday. He’s more advanced than Ndombele, Sissoko and even Son. It’s baffling what he’s doing so advanced up the pitch when he lacks the mobility to get back quick enough or the technical skills to play intricate, quick passing that’s required of advanced players in a counterattacking side.

His positional sense was a real issue
against Olympiakos, just as it was at times yesterday. But it’s not only this. He’s also incredibly slow and his passing, which has to be more precise and consistent, is poor.

If he wants to develop his career in an elite team, he needs to consider switching to CB, and even this isn’t a guaranteed success, because the game has passed him by in midfield now.

Yeah, I was left bewildered by his positioning at times yesterday. Not sure which stage of the match your clip is from, but there were a couple of times in the 2nd half when we were 2 or 3 up and he was pushed up almost into the final third.

I find it hard to imagine Jose has told him to do that, and I wouldn’t mind so much if I thought he could contribute there or he had the mobility to get back or win the ball back, but he doesn’t and the whole game seems to pass him by.

At the moment, every time we lose the ball in the opponents half, it only takes one ball between the lines and our defence is exposed.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

Yeah, I was left bewildered by his positioning at times yesterday. Not sure which stage of the match your clip is from, but there were a couple of times in the 2nd half when we were 2 or 3 up and he was pushed up almost into the final third.

I find it hard to imagine Jose has told him to do that, and I wouldn’t mind so much if I thought he could contribute there or he had the mobility to get back or win the ball back, but he doesn’t and the whole game seems to pass him by.

At the moment, every time we lose the ball in the opponents half, it only takes one ball between the lines and our defence is exposed.

Mentality has been our weakness so far this season and Dier pushing forward is a very good example of this. Despite being 3 nil up it doesn’t give licence to our ‘DM’ to wander forward and abandon his job role... it leaves our defence exposed and ultimately we very nearly ended up throwing away a 3 nil lead.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Yeah, I was left bewildered by his positioning at times yesterday. Not sure which stage of the match your clip is from, but there were a couple of times in the 2nd half when we were 2 or 3 up and he was pushed up almost into the final third.

I find it hard to imagine Jose has told him to do that, and I wouldn’t mind so much if I thought he could contribute there or he had the mobility to get back or win the ball back, but he doesn’t and the whole game seems to pass him by.

At the moment, every time we lose the ball in the opponents half, it only takes one ball between the lines and our defence is exposed.

My image is taken from much earlier in the game so he continues to make the same mistakes throughout the game.

Poch always maintained his position was as a CB, but Dier wasn’t keen on this, choosing to develop his midfield game. But he really isn’t a midfielder, and I’m surprised he hasn’t figured this out yet

 

[TEESSIDE1]

My image is taken from much earlier in the game so he continues to make the same mistakes throughout the game.

Poch always maintained his position was as a CB, but Dier wasn’t keen on this, choosing to develop his midfield game. But he really isn’t a midfielder, and I’m surprised he hasn’t figured this out yet

The fact he fails to maintain his concentration as a DM should set alarm bells ringing for him as a centre back, a position you cannot switch off at all, especially at the highest level. Dier had a couple of excellent seasons but for various reasons he’s now in free-fall. Personally I don’t trust him as either a CB or a DM.

 

[ardiles]

Couple of questions...

1. Why rotate rather than let one player get a run of games to become sharper / better?
2. Why not try other players in CM who have actually played there before (like Lo Celso)?

1. to see which player fits the problem position better and then possibly stick with that player until we get a new DM in. Also gives Skipp more game time.

2. to me, I think GLC would be of better use in a more advanced position. But maybe that’s just me.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

1. to see which player fits the problem position better and then possibly stick with that player until we get a new DM in. Also gives Skipp more game time.

2. to me, I think GLC would be of better use in a more advanced position. But maybe that’s just me.

The great thing about GLC is that he’s extremely versatile and more importantly he’s competent in every role.

Whilst Mourinho continues to rebuild our performances etc I don’t see the likes of Skipp getting a look in. He’s an unknown commodity and given we’re playing catch up in the EPL we can’t be taking risks playing the likes of Skipp, especially when Sessegnon for example can’t even get on the bench.

 

[OpenHeartZoo]

He won’t be thrown in against Man U but I’d really like to see Skipp get a go before Christmas. Might not be the immediate answer we’re looking for I think he’ll have more influence on the game than Dier is at the moment. Was nowhere yesterday.

 

[Joely]

Dier even when was playing his best football at Spurs, he was no where near best Wanyama. I don't know why people are expecting him to be our soultion at DM. I like Dier, he seems professional and very good guy, be he is not good enough. He can have good game but in long term he is not a solution.

Changing his position so often is doing him harm. If he has any future in international level it's in defence IMHO.

I think a lot of people leaned towards Dier over Wanyama because he has/had the ability to play the odd quality hollywood ball (Chelsea away setting Dele to score comes to mind) but agree think Wanyama had the better fundamentals as a DM. Dier has his uses as part of the squad but I just struggle to see him becoming a top quality defensive midfielder.

 

[jonnyp]

Yeah thats what got him into the England squad, poor form

Geez, I didn't mean he was always poor for us. He was good the first two seasons for us but he's gradually been losing pace and mobility even before his injuries and passing has never been his strength

 

[Japhet]

This is just one example of the problem with playing Dier

View attachment 59084
An example of his poor positional sense from yesterday. He’s more advanced than Ndombele, Sissoko and even Son. It’s baffling what he’s doing so advanced up the pitch when he lacks the mobility to get back quick enough or the technical skills to play intricate, quick passing that’s required of advanced players in a counterattacking side.

His positional sense was a real issue
against Olympiakos, just as it was at times yesterday. But it’s not only this. He’s also incredibly slow and his passing, which has to be more precise and consistent, is poor.

If he wants to develop his career in an elite team, he needs to consider switching to CB, and even this isn’t a guaranteed success, because the game has passed him by in midfield now.

That's exactly the position he was in for Olympiakos firdt goal as well. I don't like him in a CM2 because of his lack of pace but also his lack of positional discipline. I think he can possibly be OK in the middle of a CM3 if he just sits and holds without wandering about all over the place, but the obvious problem is that when he does wander, he simply doesn't have the pace to get back in a decent position. He needs to just keep things very simple and functional. If I was Jose I'd have him watching hours of Claude Makalele footage like the bloke in A Clockwork Orange.

 

[ardiles]

The great thing about GLC is that he’s extremely versatile and more importantly he’s competent in every role.

Whilst Mourinho continues to rebuild our performances etc I don’t see the likes of Skipp getting a look in. He’s an unknown commodity and given we’re playing catch up in the EPL we can’t be taking risks playing the likes of Skipp, especially when Sessegnon for example can’t even get on the bench.

well, I’d really like to see GLC & Ndombele in the midfield two, with one covering the defenders when the other romps forward. Not sure if Jose sees it that way.

Guess, we have to give Jose the time to sort out which players adapt best in whichever positions.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

well, I’d really like to see GLC & Ndombele in the midfield two, with one covering the defenders when the other romps forward. Not sure if Jose sees it that way.

Guess, we have to give Jose the time to sort out which players adapt best in whichever positions.

That’s what I would do also, play GLC and Ndombele as the middle 2. Given how we’re currently setting up this could work as we’re pretty much playing 3 at the back and pushing Aurier further forward with Sissoko covering him.

.......................... Gazzaniga .........................
...Sanchez .... Alderweireld .... Vertonghen..
Aurier........ Lo Celso .... Ndombele...............
......... Sissoko........ Alli .................. Son.......
............................ Kane ................................

 

[dudu]

Yeah, I was left bewildered by his positioning at times yesterday. Not sure which stage of the match your clip is from, but there were a couple of times in the 2nd half when we were 2 or 3 up and he was pushed up almost into the final third.

I find it hard to imagine Jose has told him to do that, and I wouldn’t mind so much if I thought he could contribute there or he had the mobility to get back or win the ball back, but he doesn’t and the whole game seems to pass him by.

At the moment, every time we lose the ball in the opponents half, it only takes one ball between the lines and our defence is exposed.

Pretty sure I watched a vid showing that's exactly where Jose is having him play. Further up to disrupt the play high and help cover the RB with a ball playing MF (NDombele yesterday) sitting deeper.

Right or wrong, good fit or not, I find it hard to believe Jose would let Dier be consistently be out of position for 2 games.

 

[bubble07]

I think we should genuinely try Foyth. How much worse could he be?

 

[Primativ]

As others have said he gets played around far too easily. He’s also too slow to close down the opposition as his lack of mobility and reading of the game isn’t good enough.

it’s easy to blame it all on fitness and sharpness etc but he was this poor before his illnesses, this isn’t a new thing. Back in 2017 he was our weakest outfield player (most upgradable) in the first 11, think we all need to gave the fact that he just isn’t anywhere near good enough.

 

[Wadec]

Have been an advocate for Dier to play but I do worry his lack of mobility is going to prove costly. More than happy to give him games to get sharper but think we may need to look in Jan for somebody more agile.