Eric Dier

[Shadydan]

I mentioned that he was losing his mobility and therefore not as effective as he had been in the past and I was slaughtered.
Doubt this somehow as imo he has peaked in his development. As stated above he seemed to be going the other way. Unfortunate medical conditions and injuries aside, although not the same player, I still see him as a valued squad player to fill in gaps as it will be a long hard campaign if we are to achieve any success.

Nah, no way, he's still only 25 - but I think he needs to drop to CB to really get the best out of him.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

Nah, no way, he's still only 25 - but I think he needs to drop to CB to really get the best out of him.

If he’s going to play centre back he seriously needs to sort out his concentration as he’s an accident waiting to happen. When you’re an experienced and quality defender like Toby and Jan you can look relaxed and react in a split second, whereas Dier doesn’t have either the experience or quality to take his mind off the game for a split second... defensive errors are often fatal. Dropping into a 3 he’s decent but playing instead of Toby or Jan gives me the jitters.

 

[Bulletspur]

If he’s going to play centre back he seriously needs to sort out his concentration as he’s an accident waiting to happen. When you’re an experienced and quality defender like Toby and Jan you can look relaxed and react in a split second, whereas Dier doesn’t have either the experience or quality to take his mind off the game for a split second... defensive errors are often fatal. Dropping into a 3 he’s decent but playing instead of Toby or Jan gives me the jitters.

That is my main concern as he is not quick enough to retaliate and correct if a mistake is made, something we see Verts, Toby and even Sanchez do quite well.

 

[spursfan77]

Pretty vague. Let’s hope it’s nothing serious.

He’s obviously been carrying an injury for the last year or so. Was it his groin he injured. Could be that again I guess.

 

[Wick3d]

He can't catch a break. I hope it isn't too serious.

 

[Lilbaz]

Ok so they caught it on the first day back (so something he was unaware of or he didn't think he needed urgent treatment for). They have already done the medical proceedure and he now has a short rehabilitation time before he will be ready to join the squad.

Must be something simple, bunion or something? Who knows but nothing to worry about i'm thinking.

 

[spursfan77]

 

[Blackrat1299]

Probably swapped his feet over!

 

[TheChosenOne]

Pretty vague. Let’s hope it’s nothing serious.

He’s obviously been carrying an injury for the last year or so. Was it his groin he injured. Could be that again I guess.

I'm thinking the groin may have herniated again or the area of the appendix might also have gone that way and he overworked the injury.

That's the worst case scenario, maybe it's just an ingrown toenail.

 

[Hakkz]

I mentioned that he was losing his mobility and therefore not as effective as he had been in the past and I was slaughtered.
Doubt this somehow as imo he has peaked in his development. As stated above he seemed to be going the other way. Unfortunate medical conditions and injuries aside, although not the same player, I still see him as a valued squad player to fill in gaps as it will be a long hard campaign if we are to achieve any success.

I think that's being kind.

 

[fortworthspur]

unlucky for Dier - he's had a rough 8 or 9 months. its curious that Dier can go through a serious of illnesses and injuries lasting months and be considered past his prime but the perma-injured Lamela's best years are just around the corner.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

unlucky for Dier - he's had a rough 8 or 9 months. its curious that Dier can go through a serious of illnesses and injuries lasting months and be considered past his prime but the perma-injured Lamela's best years are just around the corner.

Lamela is passionate and full of enthusiasm, a bit like Ledley King whom despite his awful injury history was an outstanding player and wore his heart on his shirt. Dier on the other hand ambles out, kicks people and just don’t look like he loves the club. When we 1st signed him and he scored the winner against W Ham he looked like he was full of smiles and energy... he then had an excellent season as a defensive midfielder. However, fast forward 2 years and he looks a shadow of his former self, slow, cumbersome, the smile has gone and it shows in his performances.

 

[hughy]

Glad it has been detected immediately. To have a fully fit squad, including Dier, is vital come the start of the season. Don't want to be losing players already.

Get well soo Eric.

 

[fortworthspur]

Lamela is passionate and full of enthusiasm, a bit like Ledley King whom despite his awful injury history was an outstanding player and wore his heart on his shirt. Dier on the other hand ambles out, kicks people and just don’t look like he loves the club. When we 1st signed him and he scored the winner against W Ham he looked like he was full of smiles and energy... he then had an excellent season as a defensive midfielder. However, fast forward 2 years and he looks a shadow of his former self, slow, cumbersome, the smile has gone and it shows in his performances.

in your opinion. when healthy he's still automatic in the national team. he hasnt been fully fit in 8 months. people are so quick to turn on a player.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

in your opinion. when healthy he's still automatic in the national team. he hasnt been fully fit in 8 months. people are so quick to turn on a player.

Dier isn’t an automatic in the England team, he keeps getting slated for his poor performances.

He isn’t a central midfielder and he doesn’t want to play centre back. He won’t get a sniff in our midfield this season especially if our transfers go to plan. He doesn’t want to play CB and he’s nowhere near the level of Toby or Jan, and Sanchez is certainly a better CB than Dier.

 

[fortworthspur]

Dier isn’t an automatic in the England team, he keeps getting slated for his poor performances.

He isn’t a central midfielder and he doesn’t want to play centre back. He won’t get a sniff in our midfield this season especially if our transfers go to plan. He doesn’t want to play CB and he’s nowhere near the level of Toby or Jan, and Sanchez is certainly a better CB than Dier.

he has more appearances since the start of 2018 than Henderson, Alli, Delph, Loftus Cheek, Milner, Barkley or any other midfielder I could think of.

 

[TheHodFather]

First time post from a longish-time lurker, so go easy on me guys! Anyway, I can't help thinking that there's something going on with Dier.

Two years left is generally the point at which we tend to renew contracts. By my reckoning (which admittedly may be wrong) there were five established first teamers who had two years left going into the summer - Davies, Rose, Dier, Wanyama and Sissoko.

Davies has just signed a new 5-year deal so that's him off the list. And in the case of Rose, Wanyama and Sissoko there are age/fitness related reasons that could explain why the club was fairly relaxed about the fact their contracts were starting to run down:

Rose is 29, has had some fairly major injury issues in the past, and athleticism plays a big part in his game
Wanyama is 28 and has some serious doubts about his long term fitness hanging over him
Sissoko turns 30 in August

That kinda leaves Dier as the odd man out. At 25 he's too young for the club to be relaxed about the fact his contract is starting to run down, but so far no news of a new one....

 

[spursgirls]

I'm thinking the groin may have herniated again or the area of the appendix might also have gone that way and he overworked the injury.

That's the worst case scenario, maybe it's just an ingrown toenail.

Would that be classed as a procedure though? I'd call it an operation. A procedure should be a more simple thing I think.

 

[thfcsteff]

Dier isn’t an automatic in the England team, he keeps getting slated for his poor performances.

He isn’t a central midfielder and he doesn’t want to play centre back. He won’t get a sniff in our midfield this season especially if our transfers go to plan. He doesn’t want to play CB and he’s nowhere near the level of Toby or Jan, and Sanchez is certainly a better CB than Dier.

I see.

I nearly responded to your comment a few above this regarding his "not looking happy" and all that...glad I waited.

Let me start by asking you how much non-stop football Dier played up until injuries finally did him last season? From the moment he made his debut? Think about that.

"He keeps getting slated for his poor performances"...I see. So that means something does it? Means more than Southgate and Pochettino continually having him in their set-ups? I see. One thing I personally won't do is let the numptynet, and all its shit amateur coaches, tell me what I see and what I think. Opinions are one thing; opinions because of the opinions of others? That's everything which is wrong with the modern supporter (IMO).

Regarding Alderweireld, a great right-sided centre-back I agree, but recently he has been both injury-prone and made several big mistakes which have cost us either directly or indirectly (not helped by sometimes being played on the left). Not much of a midfielder mind, although he quite obviously is a specialist position player (BTW, how many versatile players do we have? Dier , Dele - who funnily enough also got caned by some despite him spending half the season playing a different role!)...

Tet you choose to evaluate Dier as a CB when he clearly has not played there nearly enough to find rhythm or consistency. Bizarre.

Dier and Alderweireld's stats are not hugely dissimilar. As you'd expect, Dier has more assists, Toby better defensive numbers but not by a huge amount...the BIGGEST difference between their numbers, is that Eric Dier is involved in more actions. He is looking to win more 50/50s, win more tackles, will take a yellow for the cause, etc. The win/loss ratio for both inn their total games is very, very similar (we have won slightly more with Dier but that means little without context).

What I cannot reconcile is how you, and others like you, cannot see the IMMENSE qualities this versatile, committed and loyal leader brings to our squad. Eric Dier is a brave fucking guy. A warrior. You say he "hasn't looked happy" for a while, it is because he has been playing hurt for a long time, pushing through to give his best and is unable to play consistently. I'd be pretty disappointed if he was "happy" with all that.

As I stood applauding us off the pitch at the Wanda, feeling dejected, flat and bewildered by everything which had (or hadn't) happened, I noticed one player gathering the side from the turf to form a line and go to get our runners up medals. Yes, Eric Dier . It absolutely typified EVERYTHING about this man IMO, someone who does the dirty jobs, the unwanted jobs, but the jobs which big clubs have to have done. I think he is a leader. 100%. And obviously Poch and Southgate agree.

Eric Dier never, ever hides. Never has, never will.

If we were ever unlucky enough to lose him, it appears folks like your good self wouldn't know what you were missing until they weren't there.

 

[Lilbaz]

First time post from a longish-time lurker, so go easy on me guys! Anyway, I can't help thinking that there's something going on with Dier.

Two years left is generally the point at which we tend to renew contracts. By my reckoning (which admittedly may be wrong) there were five established first teamers who had two years left going into the summer - Davies, Rose, Dier, Wanyama and Sissoko.

Davies has just signed a new 5-year deal so that's him off the list. And in the case of Rose, Wanyama and Sissoko there are age/fitness related reasons that could explain why the club was fairly relaxed about the fact their contracts were starting to run down:

Rose is 29, has had some fairly major injury issues in the past, and athleticism plays a big part in his game
Wanyama is 28 and has some serious doubts about his long term fitness hanging over him
Sissoko turns 30 in August

That kinda leaves Dier as the odd man out. At 25 he's too young for the club to be relaxed about the fact his contract is starting to run down, but so far no news of a new one....

They are not all done at the same time. Last year the signatures were coming in weeks or even months apart.