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felmani26

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Strange decision. But I guess we can't leave Werner out with the dubious injury records we have in attack. Can we change it if Porro god forbid suffers an injury? We need Gray to play in the midfield, IMO. I really think Ange needs to drop Bissouma & sit Gray between the CB's. Would really solve a ton of our issues.
The patently obvious call is dropping Forster and having Austin and Whiteman as backups to Vicario.

Going into these group stages with 4 goalkeepers and 6 recognised defenders is quite frankly scandalous.
 

Misfit

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After this he might not even get the nod if Porro was out with injury etc. Might be Gray again. Not sure what the point in impressing in preseason even was.
 

Chirpystheman

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Crazy post
Whats crazy about it. Not saying sack him, but spence has been on the bench and bought on in games. Suggesting hes back up to porro. He needs playing time to fully understand the inverted role and europa would have been perfect. Or we going to play Archie Gray who everyone wants to be played in CM at RB. Fine if so but then why not play him there as back up in league instead of spence. Its illogical. As others have pointed out 4 keepers is stupid. We suffered horrific injuries last season with no europe and now we are going to flog the same defenders in Europa. Its stupid and now going to have a player not getting any minutes after being talked up by Ange preseason, in a competition that would have been perfect to play him in.
 

Chirpystheman

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Serious questions because he left out a guy everyone wanted out of the club 2 months ago, but they changed his tune because a few preseason games 🤣🤣
Ange himself has talked Spence up in recent weeks. Stupid to leave him out of europa squad. To me it would have been less stupid to leave Porro out of the group stage. We cannot afford to play the majority of our back 4 in Europa considering the injuries we got last season
 

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The patently obvious call is dropping Forster and having Austin and Whiteman as backups to Vicario.

Going into these group stages with 4 goalkeepers and 6 recognised defenders is quite frankly scandalous.
They played 8 minutes combined for Spurs 1st team, Forster is just better. Whiteman and Austin both included has nothing to do with Spence considering they are club trained so it's basically different list.
 

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I just don’t get it. You want to give the back office the benefit of the doubt when it comes to strategic squad management, but this just seems bonkers.

We simply have to be able to manage our fullbacks and DMs minutes - Gray and Davies is not enough.

To include Forster over Spence is crazy. There is no difference between Forster and Austin, and the rules allow you to add an emergency goalkeeper if a long term injury to Vic regardless (in which case we are screwed either way).

the marginal value from Spence is just so much higher than that of Forster here.
 

Bluto Blutarsky

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Without knowing anything that has gone on behind the scenes, or any insight into Ange's thinking on the Europa League roster - not worth getting too worked up over. A decision has been taken, we live with the consequences.
 

Westmorlandspur

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Whats crazy about it. Not saying sack him, but spence has been on the bench and bought on in games. Suggesting hes back up to porro. He needs playing time to fully understand the inverted role and europa would have been perfect. Or we going to play Archie Gray who everyone wants to be played in CM at RB. Fine if so but then why not play him there as back up in league instead of spence. Its illogical. As others have pointed out 4 keepers is stupid. We suffered horrific injuries last season with no europe and now we are going to flog the same defenders in Europa. Its stupid and now going to have a player not getting any minutes after being talked up by Ange preseason, in a competition that would have been perfect to play him in.
Do you not realise the only reason we have 4 keepers is that Austin and Whiteman are our only club trained players. Obviously Austin is 3rd keeper but might as well stick Whiteman in there as well. Doesn’t affect the squad , doesn’t mean he will play either.
 

felmani26

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They played 8 minutes combined for Spurs 1st team, Forster is just better. And Whiteman and Austin both included has nothing to do with Spence considering they are club trained so it's basically different list.
The drop off from Vicario to any of the 3 'keepers is huge - would you honestly want Forster on the ball building attacks which is a fundamental aspect in Ange's system plus let's be honest, he's 36 years old and never been a particularly agile 'keeper.

I understand full well in having Whiteman and Austin as the 2 CT for quota purposes and the impact on the Non-HG/FA Trained choices but having Forster over Spence is just flat out a terrible fucking call.
 

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Serious questions because he left out a guy everyone wanted out of the club 2 months ago, but they changed his tune because a few preseason games 🤣🤣
I think given his preseason form people felt he deserved a fair crack of the whip, nobody was saying based off that he is world class, being dropped from Europa seems harsh and makes it that bit harder for him to fully integrate and give him his best chance to succeed, Europa would have been great for him to get some game-time, strange call.
 

Westmorlandspur

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Without knowing anything that has gone on behind the scenes, or any insight into Ange's thinking on the Europa League roster - not worth getting too worked up over. A decision has been taken, we live with the consequences.
Forget the club trained keepers, it’s irrelevant. It was either leave out Forster or Spence. Obviously Ange has no confidence in Austin. He’s never played a competitive game for us. Rough on Spence but that’s the way it is. can’t say I fancy seeing Austin in goal away to Galatasaray if Vic gets injured. To be honest, if Vic ever gets injured we are knackered, Forster doesn’t inspire confidence.. We badly need a new keeper next season.
 

Bluto Blutarsky

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Forget the club trained keepers, it’s irrelevant. It was either leave out Forster or Spence. Obviously Ange has no confidence in Austin. He’s never played a competitive game for us. Rough on Spence but that’s the way it is. can’t say I fancy seeing Austin in goal away to Galatasaray if Vic gets injured. To be honest, if Vic ever gets injured we are knackered, Forster doesn’t inspire confidence.. We badly need a new keeper next season.
Its that last part that I think has people questioning this decision - I don't think Forster - at his age - is the difference between winning and losing - if the alternative if Austin.

But, only bringing 6 defenders to the games - when its likely that a couple will be carrying knocks of some sort at any given time - seems irresponsible.

But, without knowing what has gone on in the background - its hard to sit here and say Ange got it wrong - just not enough information.
 

TheHodFather

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Forget the club trained keepers, it’s irrelevant. It was either leave out Forster or Spence. Obviously Ange has no confidence in Austin. He’s never played a competitive game for us. Rough on Spence but that’s the way it is. can’t say I fancy seeing Austin in goal away to Galatasaray if Vic gets injured. To be honest, if Vic ever gets injured we are knackered, Forster doesn’t inspire confidence.. We badly need a new keeper next season.
If Ange has no confidence in Austin then what was the point in giving him a 5-year contract in the summer? That's the thing I can't get my head around.
 

eddiebailey

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Forget the club trained keepers, it’s irrelevant. It was either leave out Forster or Spence. Obviously Ange has no confidence in Austin. He’s never played a competitive game for us. Rough on Spence but that’s the way it is. can’t say I fancy seeing Austin in goal away to Galatasaray if Vic gets injured. To be honest, if Vic ever gets injured we are knackered, Forster doesn’t inspire confidence.. We badly need a new keeper next season.
If Ange has no confidence in Austin then signing a new keeper should have been a priority this season, because Forster shouldn't be second choice keeper. In fact I am not sure he is, I suspect he is more of an insurance policy if Austin is called on and crashes and burns. But as others have said, leaving out Spence creates more significant squad management issues than leaving out Forster.

Looking at it from a risk management point of view, I would say that the risk that we might need Forster is low likelihood, medium impact, whereas the risk that we might need Spence is high likelihood, medium impact.
 

Mannnos

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I think given his preseason form people felt he deserved a fair crack of the whip, nobody was saying based off that he is world class, being dropped from Europa seems harsh and makes it that bit harder for him to fully integrate and give him his best chance to succeed, Europa would have been great for him to get some game-time, strange call.
He trains with them all week, I'm sure he is just perfectly integrated. In terms of game time, still has carabao + FA cup. I suspect though we aren't going to see much or any of him. Ange has given him a chance, and he either isn't up to it or not taking it.
 

Mannnos

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If Ange has no confidence in Austin then what was the point in giving him a 5-year contract in the summer? That's the thing I can't get my head around.
3rd choice for extremely dire situations, takes up no spots on any of these lists. He's probably popular in the group as well
 

eddiebailey

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He trains with them all week, I'm sure he is just perfectly integrated. In terms of game time, still has carabao + FA cup. I suspect though we aren't going to see much or any of him. Ange has given him a chance, and he either isn't up to it or not taking it.
It's odd then that Ange has named him on the bench for all three matches this season, and has brought him on as a substitute twice.

Ange has also said that the problem last season with having so few matches was that when he needed to call on someone who had not been a regular starter they were not fit and up to speed. In fact I remember when he started Skipp in one game near the end of the season he said he planned to substitute him on 60 because he couldn't last the full 90 because of lack of game time. So if Spence is going to play a part in the Premiership this season he needs those Europa minutes, or we need one hell of a cup run.
 
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