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andrewt

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For me the kid has lost his way a little bit poch was his mentor I think Jose is not that, He is a winner so shape up or ship out is his attitude towards players! Like many said sale is a special talent but needs to play on the edge a little, being a bit nasty at times something we all wanted him not to do and branded him immature for
 

king26

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For me the kid has lost his way a little bit poch was his mentor I think Jose is not that, He is a winner so shape up or ship out is his attitude towards players! Like many said sale is a special talent but needs to play on the edge a little, being a bit nasty at times something we all wanted him not to do and branded him immature for
agree deli lost his mojo after he cut his nasty streak out needs to find it again
 

GMI

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IMO, the problem with Dele is mainly that he wants to occupy the same place in the team as Sonny. Early on, he frequently started and Sonny came off the bench. That has now turned around and Sonny has proven himself the more reliable asset. Apart from that role there isn't an obvious place for him now unless we have an injury crisis. If we could get a big fee and use it to strengthen in key areas I'd be OK with him going.
I could see him in the role Kane played on Sunday, sitting a bit deeper a setting up Son and Bale. However, he would then become a second string player (plus he's not as good at it as Kane). I think he is too slow in his play for what we are looking to do. Massively talented so I hope it works out for him, either here or elsewhere.
 

robotsonic

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I think he's skilful enough, but is a bit like Robbie Keane in that if he has time to think about what he's doing, he cocks it up too often. He has, and they both have/had fantastic instinctual skill with the ball, but give it a couple of seconds to have to think about what to do and it's gone.

Dele seems so bad in the build up in that respect. He can't seem to pick an insigtful pass anymore for the life of him if he's on the ball for 4 or 5 seconds. Far greater chance if he has one second to do something immediately.
 

WOTspur

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Big fan of Dele but I think he needs a new challenge. Can he turn around 3 years of poor form and become the force which he once was? I'm not optimistic. I have become increasingly frustrated in his performances as of late, the slack passing, shocking ball control, lack of pace and flicks. He needs to play in a team where he can sit behind the striker and make late runs into the box, I don't think we're that team anymore.
 

Japhet

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I could see him in the role Kane played on Sunday, sitting a bit deeper a setting up Son and Bale. However, he would then become a second string player (plus he's not as good at it as Kane). I think he is too slow in his play for what we are looking to do. Massively talented so I hope it works out for him, either here or elsewhere.

All the ITK seems confident we will bring in a striker. If that's the case, out of all the options I'd say Kane sometimes dropping into the role he played Sunday is a no brainer. In any case, Dele would be way down the list of players I'd see in that role, primarily down to his habit of dwelling on the ball, trying tricks and other rubbish that end up losing possession.
 

nicdic

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Big fan of Dele but I think he needs a new challenge. Can he turn around 3 years of poor form and become the force which he once was? I'm not optimistic. I have become increasingly frustrated in his performances as of late, the slack passing, shocking ball control, lack of pace and flicks. He needs to play in a team where he can sit behind the striker and make late runs into the box, I don't think we're that team anymore.

Three years of bad form? What is this, it's like every few days we add another 6 months of bad form. It's madness.

He's not been where he was previously for the past two seasons. There was a flash last year, that faded basically as soon as Kane got injured. Before that, there were multiple injuries. He got injured at the World Cup, rushed back for England, then rushed back for us with no break. Then picked up more injuries.

It's also worth bearing in mind the context, not just for him but all of our players. The 18-19 season, despite heroics in the CL, we were poor. After Dembele left the team struggled, Eriksen's head was gone, numerous injuries again, worse and worse football. Sissoko and Winks becoming the mainstay of midfield. This then continued into last season and then add in the manager change, injuries and covid, it isn't surprising that many of our players, not just Dele have had a two year period that hasn't lived up to previous performances.

You can't just look at his performances in isolation, when you're comparing him playing in a settled team with Dembele behind him, and Eriksen alongside him, to Sissoko and Winks. Of course he's going to struggle.

Sorry to single out your post, @WOTspur, just think the poor form thing is far too simplistic and reductionistic a way to look at it.
 

cider spurs

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Three years of bad form? What is this, it's like every few days we add another 6 months of bad form. It's madness.

He's not been where he was previously for the past two seasons. There was a flash last year, that faded basically as soon as Kane got injured. Before that, there were multiple injuries. He got injured at the World Cup, rushed back for England, then rushed back for us with no break. Then picked up more injuries.

It's also worth bearing in mind the context, not just for him but all of our players. The 18-19 season, despite heroics in the CL, we were poor. After Dembele left the team struggled, Eriksen's head was gone, numerous injuries again, worse and worse football. Sissoko and Winks becoming the mainstay of midfield. This then continued into last season and then add in the manager change, injuries and covid, it isn't surprising that many of our players, not just Dele have had a two year period that hasn't lived up to previous performances.

You can't just look at his performances in isolation, when you're comparing him playing in a settled team with Dembele behind him, and Eriksen alongside him, to Sissoko and Winks. Of course he's going to struggle.

Sorry to single out your post, @WOTspur, just think the poor form thing is far too simplistic and reductionistic a way to look at it.


Excellent post.
 

Mungo63

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We’ve always loved a scapegoat, Jenas got all sorts of unfair stick. Dele at his best ie playing close to Kane as an old style inside forward is a top class player. I really hope he responds positively to this wake up call
 

Matrix

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We’ve always loved a scapegoat, Jenas got all sorts of unfair stick. Dele at his best ie playing close to Kane as an old style inside forward is a top class player. I really hope he responds positively to this wake up call

Jenas was good occasionally. Showed so much promise but never became the player he should have. Side note tho, he is a brilliant pundit, which tells me he had the right football brain but never translated it on the pitch.
 

Tucker

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Three years of bad form? What is this, it's like every few days we add another 6 months of bad form. It's madness.

He's not been where he was previously for the past two seasons. There was a flash last year, that faded basically as soon as Kane got injured. Before that, there were multiple injuries. He got injured at the World Cup, rushed back for England, then rushed back for us with no break. Then picked up more injuries.

It's also worth bearing in mind the context, not just for him but all of our players. The 18-19 season, despite heroics in the CL, we were poor. After Dembele left the team struggled, Eriksen's head was gone, numerous injuries again, worse and worse football. Sissoko and Winks becoming the mainstay of midfield. This then continued into last season and then add in the manager change, injuries and covid, it isn't surprising that many of our players, not just Dele have had a two year period that hasn't lived up to previous performances.

You can't just look at his performances in isolation, when you're comparing him playing in a settled team with Dembele behind him, and Eriksen alongside him, to Sissoko and Winks. Of course he's going to struggle.

Sorry to single out your post, @WOTspur, just think the poor form thing is far too simplistic and reductionistic a way to look at it.

Absolutely spot on. The negativity surrounding Dele on this site is way OTT.
 

BringBack_leGin

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Jenas has the physical and technical gifts to be a very good player, but he didn’t have the heart. A few goals against Arsenal, I thought he shirked responsibility and passed the buck, which is the antithesis of what a central midfielder should be in my opinion.
 

slartibartfast

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Three years of bad form? What is this, it's like every few days we add another 6 months of bad form. It's madness.

He's not been where he was previously for the past two seasons. There was a flash last year, that faded basically as soon as Kane got injured. Before that, there were multiple injuries. He got injured at the World Cup, rushed back for England, then rushed back for us with no break. Then picked up more injuries.

It's also worth bearing in mind the context, not just for him but all of our players. The 18-19 season, despite heroics in the CL, we were poor. After Dembele left the team struggled, Eriksen's head was gone, numerous injuries again, worse and worse football. Sissoko and Winks becoming the mainstay of midfield. This then continued into last season and then add in the manager change, injuries and covid, it isn't surprising that many of our players, not just Dele have had a two year period that hasn't lived up to previous performances.

You can't just look at his performances in isolation, when you're comparing him playing in a settled team with Dembele behind him, and Eriksen alongside him, to Sissoko and Winks. Of course he's going to struggle.

Sorry to single out your post, @WOTspur, just think the poor form thing is far too simplistic and reductionistic a way to look at it.
Excellent post.
 

daztheyid10

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Jenas was good occasionally. Showed so much promise but never became the player he should have. Side note tho, he is a brilliant pundit, which tells me he had the right football brain but never translated it on the pitch.

Both very good points, fully agree. He does come across very well and doesn't spout the tripe many of the others do.
 

GutBucket

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He will be good as impact sub, he isn't better than Kane, Son and Lo Celso (in current form at least), he will have to either change his game and replace Ndombele in midfield or wait for Son/Kane/Lo Celso to get injured. Not many takers for him so he will stay probably, plus we are low in HG and club trained quota. He should still contribute to around 10 goals which is decent, just disappointing since a younger version of him was contributing to around 20 or 25...
 

Scissors&Tape

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Three years of bad form? What is this, it's like every few days we add another 6 months of bad form. It's madness.

He's not been where he was previously for the past two seasons. There was a flash last year, that faded basically as soon as Kane got injured. Before that, there were multiple injuries. He got injured at the World Cup, rushed back for England, then rushed back for us with no break. Then picked up more injuries.

It's also worth bearing in mind the context, not just for him but all of our players. The 18-19 season, despite heroics in the CL, we were poor. After Dembele left the team struggled, Eriksen's head was gone, numerous injuries again, worse and worse football. Sissoko and Winks becoming the mainstay of midfield. This then continued into last season and then add in the manager change, injuries and covid, it isn't surprising that many of our players, not just Dele have had a two year period that hasn't lived up to previous performances.

You can't just look at his performances in isolation, when you're comparing him playing in a settled team with Dembele behind him, and Eriksen alongside him, to Sissoko and Winks. Of course he's going to struggle.

Sorry to single out your post, @WOTspur, just think the poor form thing is far too simplistic and reductionistic a way to look at it.
Spot on. I'd only add that his "dip in form" also coincided with being asked to play a diffeent role, to take on more defensive and ball-carrying responsibilities after Dembele's departure. Of course his goals and assists would dip.
 

carpediem991

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Three years of bad form? What is this, it's like every few days we add another 6 months of bad form. It's madness.

He's not been where he was previously for the past two seasons. There was a flash last year, that faded basically as soon as Kane got injured. Before that, there were multiple injuries. He got injured at the World Cup, rushed back for England, then rushed back for us with no break. Then picked up more injuries.

It's also worth bearing in mind the context, not just for him but all of our players. The 18-19 season, despite heroics in the CL, we were poor. After Dembele left the team struggled, Eriksen's head was gone, numerous injuries again, worse and worse football. Sissoko and Winks becoming the mainstay of midfield. This then continued into last season and then add in the manager change, injuries and covid, it isn't surprising that many of our players, not just Dele have had a two year period that hasn't lived up to previous performances.

You can't just look at his performances in isolation, when you're comparing him playing in a settled team with Dembele behind him, and Eriksen alongside him, to Sissoko and Winks. Of course he's going to struggle.

Sorry to single out your post, @WOTspur, just think the poor form thing is far too simplistic and reductionistic a way to look at it.

I agree we need to dig a bit deeper.
Was Dele as brillant because he slotted perfect in a working system where he had the right players around and is not worth the value/praise when he is not?

There are players like Son and Kane who can show their quality even if the team is not rolling. Moments of brillance that gives us wins like the one last week. Dele did that, occasionally, but since he is out of that perfect working system with Dembele and providing full backs around he has done it on a very irregular basis.

Its hard to ignore the impression that he is running headless in opponents, losing the ball easily while trying a flick that rarely works out. He seems to think too much in situations and that he lost his instincts a bit.

Can he get that back with the right players around him like Reguilon or Doherty who should have a more clever contribution from the FB positions?
 
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