Dele Alli at Everton

[tiger666]

I think the fact that if he went up for sale tomorrow there wouldn’t be a queue round the block tells you everything you need to know

It tells me fuck all apart from the fact you don't rate him. It's speculation, not fact.

 

[Shadydan]

I think the fact that if he went up for sale tomorrow there wouldn’t be a queue round the block tells you everything you need to know. He’s the sort of player you have to accommodate in a team and imo he makes us less flexible as a team. Tbh it’s a real conundrum because his numbers tell you a different story. But if I could get £60m or above I’d sell.

If in doubt just make up a speculative scenario in an attempt to force home some illogical point just because it sits well with your narrative.

This thread is the utter pits for tragic posts it's actually worse than the Ndombele and Lamela threads.

 

[Univarn]

If in doubt just make up a speculative scenario in an attempt to force home some illogical point just because it sits well with your narrative.

This thread is the utter pits for tragic posts it's actually worse than the Ndombele and Lamela threads.

Gonna need to create a burner account to winner this twice.

 

[punkisback]

I can tell you play FIFA a lot and you're used to simplistic thinking so I'll go easy on you, let me explain.

Grealish can play as a no10, Dele can play as a no10, Grealish's natural position is a central midfielder, Dele's natural position is a support striker, Grealish is more of a dribbler who takes players on and draws fouls and plays the final pass, Dele is more of an instinctive player who arrives late in the box and a finisher...do you see where I'm going with this?

Shall we compare Kane to Firminho as well seeing as they're both strikers and they are responsible for kicking the round thing into the net or do you need me to break the differences in their roles as well?

I understand what you mean. However it’s a case of Grealish being able to do the basics in football and Dele is struggling to do so. Both are expected to provide goals and assists, despite their playing style difference that is their job. It’s like comparing Dier to Wanyama who both have different skill sets but their end goal is to protect the defence and win the ball. And right now Dele isn’t providing goals or assists for us yet Grealish is for Villa.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

I understand what you mean. However it’s a case of Grealish being able to do the basics in football and Dele is struggling to do so. Both are expected to provide goals and assists, despite their playing style difference that is their job. It’s like comparing Dier to Wanyama who both have different skill sets but their end goal is to protect the defence and win the ball. And right now Dele isn’t providing goals or assists for us yet Grealish is for Villa.

They've scored the same amount of goals and Grealish has made 4 more than Dele - what are you on about?

 

[Primativ]

I think someone mentioned earlier that he looks better when we have other focal points. If Harry is playing defences aren’t quite on Dele as much and he can make some of those late runs and be more dangerous.

We need to work more as a team to create other problems for opposition defences and make more spaces for Dele. He’ll miss some goals and be frustrating but he’s still our best chance to bag a couple of goals in a game if we can get him the opportunities.

Dele has been equally as gash when Kane is playing? So that argument doesn’t really hold any weight.

 

[Primativ]

Grealish is a better player than Alli. He’s a far more well rounded footballer and technician and has a chance of being a real asset to a CL side. He is someone who is excellent in possession unlike Alli, is an excellent short and long range passer unlike Alli, can actually shoot from distance unlike Alli, and is just an all round better player.

I’d swap them in a heart beat.

Alli scores more as he’s basically a luxury shadow striker but in all other areas of the game Grealish is better.

 

[dtxspurs]

I can tell you play FIFA a lot and you're used to simplistic thinking so I'll go easy on you, let me explain.

Grealish can play as a no10, Dele can play as a no10, Grealish's natural position is a central midfielder, Dele's natural position is a support striker, Grealish is more of a dribbler who takes players on and draws fouls and plays the final pass, Dele is more of an instinctive player who arrives late in the box and a finisher...do you see where I'm going with this?

Shall we compare Kane to Firminho as well seeing as they're both strikers and they are responsible for kicking the round thing into the net or do you need me to break the differences in their roles as well?

Thank you for sharing your wisdom with me all mighty shadydan.

 

[Shadydan]

I understand what you mean. However it’s a case of Grealish being able to do the basics in football and Dele is struggling to do so. Both are expected to provide goals and assists, despite their playing style difference that is their job. It’s like comparing Dier to Wanyama who both have different skill sets but their end goal is to protect the defence and win the ball. And right now Dele isn’t providing goals or assists for us yet Grealish is for Villa.

Oh come off it, Grealish is given a completely free role at Villa, he doesn't even need to defend that much - the Villa team is built around him* utilised to get the best out of him, now compare that to Dele, his goals have slowed down firstly due to Kane being hurt which has totally thrown the team off course and now Son which hasn't helped, not to mention we're hardly playing much expansive football right now. I find the criticism of him surprising (well actually I don't seeing as this is special community) seeing as he was the focal point and leading the line, what is he actually meant to do with his back to goal and most of the passes were thrown up to him in the air, let's put Grealish in that situation and see how he fares.

*What happens when you build teams around players you end up with Dele Alli 2016/17

 

[Deleted member 27995]

@fishhhandaricecake how can you dislike fact?

 

[Primativ]

Oh come off it, Grealish is given a completely free role at Villa, he doesn't even need to defend that much - the Villa team is built around him* utilised to get the best out of him, now compare that to Dele, his goals have slowed down firstly due to Kane being hurt which has totally thrown the team off course and now Son which hasn't helped, not to mention we're hardly playing much expansive football right now. I find the criticism of him surprising (well actually I don't seeing as this is special community) seeing as he was the focal point and leading the line, what is he actually meant to do with his back to goal and most of the passes were thrown up to him in the air, let's put Grealish in that situation and see how he fares.

*What happens when you build teams around players you end up with Dele Alli 2016/17

Absolute nonsense. His goals dried up two years ago. The excuses you’re making for him are mind boggling. Alli has been playing like this (shite) for two years now. It has nothing to do with Kane or Son ffs. The mental gymnastics you are undertaking to try and find any excuses under the sun as to why Alli isn’t delivering rather than just facing upto the reality that he just isn’t very good is fascinating.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Absolute nonsense. His goals dried up two years ago. The excuses you’re making for him are mind boggling. Alli has been playing like this (shite) for two years now. It has nothing to do with Kane or Son ffs. The mental gymnastics you are undertaking to try and find any excuses under the sun as to why Alli isn’t delivering rather than just facing upto the reality that he just isn’t very good is fascinating.

Dried up? He was in the top 5 for scoring from midfield in 2017/2018 injury plagued last year and nearly back up to his total of 17/18?

What is this rubbish being posted?

 

[Shadydan]

Absolute nonsense. His goals dried up two years ago. The excuses you’re making for him are mind boggling. Alli has been playing like this (shite) for two years now. It has nothing to do with Kane or Son ffs. The mental gymnastics you are undertaking to try and find any excuses under the sun as to why Alli isn’t delivering rather than just facing upto the reality that he just isn’t very good is fascinating.

Fuck.my.Entire.Life, you do absolutely everything to twist comments don't you, I think you genuinely are ill, I've never met anyone on a forum who has such an ability to twist things to suit you're own narrative and someone who absolutely refuses to argue using any context whatsoever. It's like you see certain words in a post, get an erection and then go off on a complete tangent spouting any negative bollocks at the expense of our own players, don't you get tired of it?

I see you've found a new home then ever since you were called out in the Winks thread and his upturn in form, can't be a co-incidence that you happen to be so very vocal when they don't perform but you go into hiding when they do.

Read the context of the conversation and try again.

 

[coys200]

Tell me who would buy him if we went up for sale the only possible I see is United. Hard to see any European giants interested.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

This thread is utter bollocks, I've never read so many clueless takes since the Winks thread. The jose thread is a close second on here today.

Sorry, some of you are literally here just on a wind up.

Fucked if having a debate about something is the way to go when it's obvious people are just saying shit to get a rise out of people.

Kills message board off.

Enjoy selling Dele to Stoke. We can buy a replacement and rail him in about 6 - 12 months time.

 

[Shadydan]

Tell me who would buy him if we went up for sale the only possible I see is United. Hard to see any European giants interested.

Everyone would be interested, Barca £300m, Real £450m, Sunderland £800m.

If you're gonna play this speculative nonsense game then so will I

 

[Real_madyidd]

@fishhhandaricecake how can you dislike fact?

There are loads of facts I dislike.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

There are loads of facts I dislike.

You can prove anything with them though ...

 

[Ronwol196061]

Apart from some always good defensive work I find Dele needs to do more good work attacking. He wasn't good in this game but for a player of his quality,at least talent wise,he can do a lot lot more like really make a difference on a regular basis.
Dele has got talent but is he clever enough to use that talent to make a serious difference. Its not his age anymore,Its his choices. I still retain some hope but where he should be today with his talent is a superstar on a world level but he doesn't do anywhere near enough and remains a player with potential but as some point a seed stops growing and it dies away. Mourinho hit a button with the brother thing. It lasted a few games but great players have more belief than Dele has not just talent.Its about taking no for an answer not whining or diving or tripping,its about getting the job seriously done with the talent he has. Im waiting...

 

[theShiznit]

To me he is a player that does great things instinctively but the rest of his game when that instinct doesn't kick in seems forced and lethargic.

If he wants to be a more rounded player I feel he needs to simplify his game, moving the ball quicker with less touches and let those instinctive moments take care of the rest.