Dele Alli at Everton

[Deleted member 27995]

Grealish will probably take Deli's place in the next England match unfortunately.

Fingers crossed.

 

[HildoSpur]

Was really please to see Jose call out Dele last night - this is what needs to happen as he needs a kick up the arse.

 

[daryl hannah]

The more I see of Lo Celso and NDombele, to an extent Bergwijn, the more it feels like Dele belongs to the old guard - like Dire. Players that aren't technically upto the standards we now aspire to.

Dele's never had pace, and never had decent technical ability. What he has is the odd bit of vision and timing. It feels like he's playing a step slower than the opposition. I guess it always was under Poch.

And yet he's still capable of sublime moments of magic. I don't really know what you do with him in this team, and when Eze arrives I think there'll be an usurping of position in the 10.

 

[HildoSpur]

The more I see of Lo Celso and NDombele, to an extent Bergwijn, the more it feels like Dele belongs to the old guard - like Dire. Players that aren't technically upto the standards we now aspire to.

Dele's never had pace, and never had decent technical ability. What he has is the odd bit of vision and timing. It feels like he's playing a step slower than the opposition. I guess it always was under Poch.

And yet he's still capable of sublime moments of magic. I don't really know what you do with him in this team, and when Eze arrives I think there'll be an usurping of position in the 10.

I tend to agree - I really like Dele and would love nothing more than him to develop his game a bit more and get himself to a point that he is undroppable again but at the moment he is really struggling. I wouldn't be surprised to see the club cash in on him and it might be best for both parties. It would be sad but I think we gotta be ruthless.

 

[lol]

This era of football no longer have time for players like dele.

Back then you can either live off either pure physique( + stamina). Pure technicality. Or pure instinct.

Slowly the game evolved and even the centrebacks gained pace, and eventually technicality.

If you dont have these basic, dont even talk about instinct. Instinct would be for people who are at the highest level, and that is not alli

 

[dimiSpur]

Personally I like the fact that he's angry being subbed. I want to see passion from our players and a willingness to help the team. I don't think Gedson was too impressed with the boot that flew over his head.

However we did improve when he went off and he did have a poor game. Strangely enough, once we started dominating in the last 20, we could have done with him on to maybe get on the end of a chance.

It's a funny one with Dele. I won't agree that he's "shit" and should be sold. Should we sell if we get a ridiculously high offer? Perhaps. But I'm not in the "fuck off let's sell him for anything" camp.

Yes he's been out of form for ages now, bar the odd glimpse of magic or good game here or there. But that's true of many players. It is clear that he is a player well-suited to a specific style of play. You can see that the Poch way has been installed within him when he's urging his team-mates to press high, when the game plan is clearly to sit deeper. You can see that he is better suited to a possession game, where we keep the ball in the opposition's half and he tries to get on the end of a chance.

He doesn't ghost into scoring positions that much anymore, no, but that is partly due to the fact that we no longer boss games. He was at his best when we were at our best under Poch, with Wanyama & Dembele in beast mode, where we'd keep the ball for fun. We no longer do that. And it seems we won't do that in the future either, as Jose's style is clearly going to be speed and aggressive direct play (doesn't mean long balls).

So the question isn't what shall we do with Dele now, the question is what happens with Dele in the summer. Jose will buy players suited to his style of play in a re-brand of our playing philosophy. If there is a place for Dele in that philosophy is the question. Perhaps there isn't, which doesn't mean he's "shit" or that Jose is clueless. It just means our styles may contradict.

And I'm not saying our style is solely to blame for his performances. The main factor is Dele. His form has been poor and for quite some time.

 

[dudu]

I can’t believe you actually still have people coming on and defending him like they are. Please don’t blame it on fitness or tactics, he’s just not good enough. Week in week out he’s shit and ineffective, he’s been out of form for two years now. His first two seasons are ancient memory.

He’s technically poor. He’s slow. That’s a terrible combination for an attacking player.

It was literally a couple of weeks ago when he came on and his technical ability pretty much won us a game.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

With our lack of strikers Dele should be up top, through the middle and then dropping in to that 'false 9' role for others to play off of him.

A Firmino-esque role if you like.

 

[dudu]

Calm down sweetie.

If you want a balanced debate then you need to take your emotions out of it. Yes dele has done very well for us in the past and impressed at such a young age but the consensus is that Opposition teams have now worked dele out so he’s far less effective and so we’re left with a player who as others have said is a playground players with flicks and tricks but not much end product. Dele has repeatedly shown petulance on and off the pitch for the last 5years, Grealish has one moment of a let down at a young age when he got too big for his boots on holiday but since then he’s knuckled down and has gone from strength to strength and is captaining his club and is their best player by a mile, dele on the other hand is going backwards.

Also watch deles interviews and tweets and everything it’s not just on the pitch, off the pitch he comes across quite badly in my opinion whereas grealish seems like much more of a focused pro and leader.

Grealish seems like a twat. The way he was throwing himself around Vs us last week was embarrassing.

 

[Shadydan]

So you're just ignoring Dele's previous red cards, he constant strops when being subbed, his only very recent clearly insensitive tweet, his giggly childish stupid behaviour off the pitch, his instagram posts of him sunning it up thinking he's some sort of gucci model rather than actually focusing on his football, the fact that nearly all away fans boo him?

He's a bad egg, its not media driven bollocks. I do agree Dele has achieved more than Grealish but right now I'd rather have Grealish and quite franklly I'd rather not have Dele in the team I support, he really seems like a snidey, immature, petulant bloke and i'm not sure he'll ever change.

But you believe what you want mate

Biggest load of crap I've read on here for some time, you should work for the tabloids.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Grealish seems like a twat. The way he was throwing himself around Vs us last week was embarrassing.

He’s the most fouled player in the league because he shields the ball well and teams can’t get near him.
I’m not saying he’s some whiter than white goodytooshoes but it doesn’t take away from the fact that Dele Alli is a Richard and every away teams fans booing him shows as much.

 

[dudu]

He’s the most fouled player in the league because he shields the ball well and teams can’t get near him.
I’m not saying he’s some whiter than white goodytooshoes but it doesn’t take away from the fact that Dele Alli is a Richard and every away teams fans booing him shows as much.

It does for me. Grealish is clever, sure and he buys fouls by falling over a lot. I don't like how he does it, I'd feel the same if any of our players did that.

As for Alli. I seem to recall his on the field petulant side a few years ago. Maybe give him some credit for completely transforming himself in that respect. Doesn't get into it with anyone really anymore. When was the last time he got carded for being involved in something stupid?

 

[soflapaul]

I just don't know how people come to some of the conclusions I see in this (and other) threads. The speed with which people write off a player as 'shit' is unbelievable. There's no mitigation, no excuses, nothing positive just this constant atmosphere of sniping, derision, ridicule and lazy stereotyping. Criticism is one thing but this stuff just makes everything so.....well, sour and spiteful. And during a game, in the match thread, it's literally poisonous at times.

But no, lets focus on Dele throwing a sock, or pointing, or making a fucking gesture and turn it into something it isn't. And if I'm going to be brutally honest here, if you're looking for someone to vent against then you need to start looking for a vertically challenged guy who last bought comb when he was about twelve. Because that's where the buck stops in every walk of life. At the top.

One of your best posts. Some posters in here live in the world where athletes and coaches are fallible and the goal is to get them to play at the top of their game more consistently. It seems to me that all of our players are capable of better and more cohesive play judging on their past performance. They're just not getting it done. Some of that may be due to the "system" but given that it has been consistent over two systems, it is more likely a mentality issue.

So the real question is whether these players can ever make it back to their previous heights and beyond. Once again, that comes down to mentality. I suspect that Jose can get most of the players back there but it is absurd to think that the player mentality would be anywhere consistent after 90 days and the injuries suffered. And perhaps his system isn't good enough but right now, it ain't the system that is the problem.

To be fair to those that watched that close to unwatchable first half, it was awful football. We were slow, reactive and ineffective. Perhaps that is the cumulative result of offseason football and the lingering after effects of two a days for five years as the players aged. Whatever it is, it is unacceptable long term.

With regards to Dele and the sock, you are spot on because it is impossible to read another person's mind. We never have enough information. But i'd also turn that back on you and say that is as true about Dele as it is about DL. No doubt DL deserves some of the blame but the ITK over the last few years suggested that he was willing to spend. Perhaps it wasn't the players that MP wanted but there is plenty to blame all around and what's most important now is whether Jose is the man to fix it and what will he need to do so.

And to your ultimate point, the atmosphere created by the fanbase is as important a factor as anything.

 

[cozzo]

So many players have surpassed him now and his stock continues to go down

 

[Deleted member 27995]

He’s the most fouled player in the league because he shields the ball well and teams can’t get near him.
I’m not saying he’s some whiter than white goodytooshoes but it doesn’t take away from the fact that Dele Alli is a Richard and every away teams fans booing him shows as much.

This bothers you?

 

[Deleted member 27995]

So many players have surpassed him now and his stock continues to go down

Do you mean internationally, in our own squad or in the prem?

 

[cozzo]

Do you mean internationally, in our own squad or in the prem?

Take your pick

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Take your pick

Nah, I'd rather you highlight which one if I am honest, if he is as bad as you are suggesting we won't be able to sell him, bit like Vic, but without the bad knee(s)

 

[wearetheparklane]

Away fans boo him! Haha brilliant. I wish away fans booed all of our players.

 

[SPURSLIFE]

Grealish seems like a twat. The way he was throwing himself around Vs us last week was embarrassing.

He was embarrassingly good.