Dele Alli at Everton

[Bobby TwoShots]

You defendeth Dele too much!! Aurier, Dier, Foyth, Lamela, Davies, Moura and even Ndombele get their fair share of criticism. I do not see any of them throwing a strop when appropriately substituted.

He wasn't disrespectful to anyone. He threw his boots around because he was pissed off (with his performance/the way the game was going). I have no problem with that. My only grumble is he didn't throw them at Aurier.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

With regard his little hissy fit at being subbed tonight, whats the issue with it?

In all honesty, not much.

But it's Dele so...............

 

[Bulletspur]

My post has nothing to do with his "strop". That doesn't bother me at all. I want players to be pissed off if they feel they shouldn't have been subbed. Points to them caring, and hopefully ignites a fire for them to seek improvement.

And yes, some other players do receive criticism, but I'd suggest not at the same level as Alli constantly this season.

Take Moura for example, few games he's worked his arse off and tracked back to get tackles in. Has he really excelled, has he endured the same level of criticism. No.

Match thread aside, Alli seems to be the go-to thread on most match days. Fine if he's played crap, but for me, many others are playing crap also but hardly get a mention, if at all.

I'm still of the belief he's become the scapegoat based on the fact that he can be so good, and probably a level ahead than many others but is underperforming.

It's not even about defending him. It's more about recognising that plenty are playing well below par, but escape the same level of criticism.

Lol. #spreadtheshit

I hear you @cider spurs but personally I do not think its a matter of scapegoating, I (like others) call it like we see it. I have been saying from way back that Dele is not as good as he propably think he is. My view which I am sure a lot will disagree with.

 

[double0]

I hear you @cider spurs but personally I do not think its a matter of scapegoating, I (like others) call it like we see it. I have been saying from way back that Dele is not as good as he propably think he is. My view which I am sure a lot will disagree with.

It's very easy to just blame Dele Alli. Mourinho tactics were crap we just sat there like frighten victims by passed the midfield with the long ball Dele and Moura chasing lost courses when Dele did manage to wrestler the ball nobody offered an angle.

Mourinho hauls him off changes tactics we become more committed going forward with our third highest goal scorer removed from the field.

 

[Shadydan]

Mainly his attitude is an issue

It really isn't

 

[Deleted member 27995]

It’s not a witch hunt, the guy is overrated and a bit of a Richard.

Overrated?

There are people in here who want Grealish over him and Grealish bar this season and the latter half of last season has done the square root of fuck all and himself been a bit of a 'Richard in the earlier part of his career when during that same time frame Dele was lighting the prem. league up.

It's clueless fucking takes like that and yours that make this hard to believe that people who post here are fucking Spurs fans at all.

 

[tiger666]

Overrated?

There are people in here who want Grealish over him and Grealish bar this season and the latter half of last season has done the square root of fuck all and himself been a bit of a 'Richard in the earlier part of his career when during that same time frame Dele was lighting the prem. league up.

It's clueless fucking takes like that and yours that make this hard to believe that people who post here are fucking Spurs fans at all.

Grealish plays for someone else, therefore he's better than what we have.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Grealish plays for someone else, therefore he's better than what we have.

Yeah, I forgot.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I just don't know how people come to some of the conclusions I see in this (and other) threads. The speed with which people write off a player as 'shit' is unbelievable. There's no mitigation, no excuses, nothing positive just this constant atmosphere of sniping, derision, ridicule and lazy stereotyping. Criticism is one thing but this stuff just makes everything so.....well, sour and spiteful. And during a game, in the match thread, it's literally poisonous at times.

Dele Alli can play better. We all know that. He's an excellent footballer. He's not been on top of his game. We know that too. Now you can write that up against the names of pretty much every single player we have but once a scapegoat has been selected there's no going back. It goes beyond fair and sensible criticism.

We have a collection of extremely talented, quality footballers and for a huge variety of reasons, nearly all of them aren't performing. We see the odd 'good' game out of them but as a team, we're broken which makes it harder to perform to the levels we were accustomed to and it makes it harder for individuals to do that too. Can Dele play better? Of course, but then again every player we have can. But stuff is broken and it needs fixing. Personally I think whatever it is that needs fixing isn't going to be achieved by selling our best players and Dele is certainly one of those.

As I said elsewhere, the end of the season can't come quickly enough, the whole club needs a re-set. The problem here isn't Dele fucking Alli, it isn't Jose Mourinho it's bigger than any of that, its the result of very many factors and that's where people should looking to, not our managers, not our players, why are Spurs, a club with (seemingly) such a bright future, a club that's supposed to have been going places, been allowed to decline so sharply in such a relatively short space of time. Why has the squad been left so short?

So yeah Dele isn't doing as well as he can but nor is anyone else and that will have a kind off knock on influence on his game, that works for everyone, it's a collective thing. In a team playing better, a team playing with confidence Dele plays better, because it's ALL better if that makes sense. That's not to suggest there's nothing to criticise or that anyone shouldn't be criticised either, for me its the nature of it, its the things we often choose to criticise.........

But no, lets focus on Dele throwing a sock, or pointing, or making a fucking gesture and turn it into something it isn't. And if I'm going to be brutally honest here, if you're looking for someone to vent against then you need to start looking for a vertically challenged guy who last bought comb when he was about twelve. Because that's where the buck stops in every walk of life. At the top.

 

[SPURSLIFE]

Maybe the derision Alli receives is as a result of people expecting more based on his past exploits, the fact that he can play much better, and is a top player when on his game.

Why do some of our other players not get the same amount of criticism levelled at them. It points to expectations of not expecting the same level of performance from them in comparison to Alli.

Are players escaping criticism because they're deemed average in any case, therefore expectations are lower in comparison.

It certainly comes across this way.

Lots of our players appear to be underperforming week on week of late. But Alli is constantly at the forefront of the flak received.

Yes Alli can play better. But so can the majority of the players I see on a weekly basis.

I find the fact that Alli gets so much more stick than others laughable. Stick because he can be top drawer when on his game, others escaping because they're not at the same level when on their game thus expectations lower.

Many are underperforming, and I agree it's fine to want more. Just because other players might not be considered as good as Alli when all on song, should not see them offered a free pass regarding criticism.

Team game.

I think all the players have come under criticism at some time this season as they have all been underperforming. I don't think Deli has come under more than others in fact Winks and Aurier get more than he does and in Auriers case rightly so. In Deli's case it's not just this season he hasn't played well for a couple of seasons now. Sure he scores the odd great goal but his overall contribution in matches is very poor. Running into a bunch of players instead of passing, losing possession time and time again and he is slow.
We need the old Ali that ghosted into the box from nowhere and put the ball away. Sadly I don't think that's going to happen and if it ever was it's certainly not in the way the team is set up these days.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

I think all the players have come under criticism at some time this season as they have all been underperforming. I don't think Deli has come under more than others in fact Winks and Aurier get more than he does and in Auriers case rightly so. In Deli's case it's not just this season he hasn't played well for a couple of seasons now. Sure he scores the odd great goal but his overall contribution in matches is very poor. Running into a bunch of players instead of passing, losing possession time and time again and he is slow.
We need the old Ali that ghosted into the box from nowhere and put the ball away. Sadly I don't think that's going to happen and if it ever was it's certainly not in the way the team is set up these days.

Like he has done this season including the goal to draw us level against Watford?

More rubbish.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Overrated?

There are people in here who want Grealish over him and Grealish bar this season and the latter half of last season has done the square root of fuck all and himself been a bit of a 'Richard in the earlier part of his career when during that same time frame Dele was lighting the prem. league up.

It's clueless fucking takes like that and yours that make this hard to believe that people who post here are fucking Spurs fans at all.

Calm down sweetie.

If you want a balanced debate then you need to take your emotions out of it. Yes dele has done very well for us in the past and impressed at such a young age but the consensus is that Opposition teams have now worked dele out so he’s far less effective and so we’re left with a player who as others have said is a playground players with flicks and tricks but not much end product. Dele has repeatedly shown petulance on and off the pitch for the last 5years, Grealish has one moment of a let down at a young age when he got too big for his boots on holiday but since then he’s knuckled down and has gone from strength to strength and is captaining his club and is their best player by a mile, dele on the other hand is going backwards.

Also watch deles interviews and tweets and everything it’s not just on the pitch, off the pitch he comes across quite badly in my opinion whereas grealish seems like much more of a focused pro and leader.

 

[cider spurs]

I think all the players have come under criticism at some time this season as they have all been underperforming. I don't think Deli has come under more than others in fact Winks and Aurier get more than he does and in Auriers case rightly so. In Deli's case it's not just this season he hasn't played well for a couple of seasons now. Sure he scores the odd great goal but his overall contribution in matches is very poor. Running into a bunch of players instead of passing, losing possession time and time again and he is slow.
We need the old Ali that ghosted into the box from nowhere and put the ball away. Sadly I don't think that's going to happen and if it ever was it's certainly not in the way the team is set up these days.

You've kinda highlighted part of the problem Alli is facing in your last sentence.

He is part of the problem, not the problem.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Calm down sweetie.

If you want a balanced debate then you need to take your emotions out of it. Yes dele has done very well for us in the past and impressed at such a young age but the consensus is that Opposition teams have now worked dele out so he’s far less effective and so we’re left with a player who as others have said is a playground players with flicks and tricks but not much end product. Dele has repeatedly shown petulance on and off the pitch for the last 5years, Grealish has one moment of a let down at a young age when he got too big for his boots on holiday but since then he’s knuckled down and has gone from strength to strength and is captaining his club and is their best player by a mile, dele on the other hand is going backwards.

Also watch deles interviews and tweets and everything it’s not just on the pitch, off the pitch he comes across quite badly in my opinion whereas grealish seems like much more of a focused pro and leader.

He was up until the beginning of last season one of the top English talent in the country. You keep repeating turgid rhetoric you'll eventually believe it.

Some of the rubbish you've typed isn't worth trying to explain away, it's media driven bollocks. Grealish doesn't hold a torch to what Dele's achieved in his career.

 

[Kingellesar]

I would rather he comes off and is angry than coming off when we are 1 down all smiles and hugging everyone.

He is clearly unhappy with his and the teams performance and rightly so, last night wasn't a great performance for 65 minutes. He is probably the one player in the team that I would have confidence in going to Stamford Bridge and scoring, so we need to get behind him.

 

[Spartanspurs]

I just don't know how people come to some of the conclusions I see in this (and other) threads. The speed with which people write off a player as 'shit' is unbelievable. There's no mitigation, no excuses, nothing positive just this constant atmosphere of sniping, derision, ridicule and lazy stereotyping. Criticism is one thing but this stuff just makes everything so.....well, sour and spiteful. And during a game, in the match thread, it's literally poisonous at times.

Dele Alli can play better. We all know that. He's an excellent footballer. He's not been on top of his game. We know that too. Now you can write that up against the names of pretty much every single player we have but once a scapegoat has been selected there's no going back. It goes beyond fair and sensible criticism.

We have a collection of extremely talented, quality footballers and for a huge variety of reasons, nearly all of them aren't performing. We see the odd 'good' game out of them but as a team, we're broken which makes it harder to perform to the levels we were accustomed to and it makes it harder for individuals to do that too. Can Dele play better? Of course, but then again every player we have can. But stuff is broken and it needs fixing. Personally I think whatever it is that needs fixing isn't going to be achieved by selling our best players and Dele is certainly one of those.

As I said elsewhere, the end of the season can't come quickly enough, the whole club needs a re-set. The problem here isn't Dele fucking Alli, it isn't Jose Mourinho it's bigger than any of that, its the result of very many factors and that's where people should looking to, not our managers, not our players, why are Spurs, a club with (seemingly) such a bright future, a club that's supposed to have been going places, been allowed to decline so sharply in such a relatively short space of time. Why has the squad been left so short?

So yeah Dele isn't doing as well as he can but nor is anyone else and that will have a kind off knock on influence on his game, that works for everyone, it's a collective thing. In a team playing better, a team playing with confidence Dele plays better, because it's ALL better if that makes sense. That's not to suggest there's nothing to criticise or that anyone shouldn't be criticised either, for me its the nature of it, its the things we often choose to criticise.........

But no, lets focus on Dele throwing a sock, or pointing, or making a fucking gesture and turn it into something it isn't. And if I'm going to be brutally honest here, if you're looking for someone to vent against then you need to start looking for a vertically challenged guy who last bought comb when he was about twelve. Because that's where the buck stops in every walk of life. At the top.

I'd add as well that Dele has always played his best when he's playing off Kane. It's no wonder he's not on top form when he's try to play off Moura who has nowhere near the vision, hold up play or passing of Kane.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

He was up until the beginning of last season one of the top English talent in the country. You keep repeating turgid rhetoric you'll eventually believe it.

Some of the rubbish you've typed isn't worth trying to explain away, it's media driven bollocks. Grealish doesn't hold a torch to what Dele's achieved in his career.

So you're just ignoring Dele's previous red cards, he constant strops when being subbed, his only very recent clearly insensitive tweet, his giggly childish stupid behaviour off the pitch, his instagram posts of him sunning it up thinking he's some sort of gucci model rather than actually focusing on his football, the fact that nearly all away fans boo him?

He's a bad egg, its not media driven bollocks. I do agree Dele has achieved more than Grealish but right now I'd rather have Grealish and quite franklly I'd rather not have Dele in the team I support, he really seems like a snidey, immature, petulant bloke and i'm not sure he'll ever change.

But you believe what you want mate

 

[Deleted member 27995]

So you're just ignoring Dele's previous red cards, he constant strops when being subbed, his only very recent clearly insensitive tweet, his giggly childish stupid behaviour off the pitch, his instagram posts of him sunning it up thinking he's some sort of gucci model rather than actually focusing on his football, the fact that nearly all away fans boo him?

He's a bad egg, its not media driven bollocks. I do agree Dele has achieved more than Grealish but right now I'd rather have Grealish and quite franklly I'd rather not have Dele in the team I support, he really seems like a snidey, immature, petulant bloke and i'm not sure he'll ever change.

But you believe what you want mate

So you're basing this on not football but his social media career?

 

[Deleted member 27995]

@fishhhandaricecake

Apply to become part of his social media team, I reckon you'll improve him ten fold on the pitch when you do.

 

[SPURSLIFE]

He was up until the beginning of last season one of the top English talent in the country. You keep repeating turgid rhetoric you'll eventually believe it.

Some of the rubbish you've typed isn't worth trying to explain away, it's media driven bollocks. Grealish doesn't hold a torch to what Dele's achieved in his career.

Grealish will probably take Deli's place in the next England match unfortunately.