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Dele Alli at Everton

JamieSpursCommunityUser

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Sorry but that's BS. You don't continue playing if the pain is effecting your game and your team still has subs available - you only do that if all subs have been used.

Anyway I think it's just an excuse for another dire performance. He didn't help anyone by staying on and we had several options on the bench.

Alli doesn’t get to make that call..the manager does.

He should do his best and try and run it off, until he's taken off.

If he gave up and we lost people would be criticising his weak mentality and that he doesn’t care enough, so he can’t win.

Everyone can see he’s not playing well, but he put his body on the line, so why not get behind him?!

Christ, this thread is like the vortex where all positivity and optimism gets sucked out of the universe!!
 

allpaths

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I like him as a player, but with the way our squad is being reshaped I dont see were he fits in. Wouldnt be against selling like Liverpool sold Coutinho so that we can reinforce the squad in the spots were short at.
 

Timberwolf

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That's all very well if it's just Alli but with Son and Moura present - all pissing away possession then you've got real issues.
Yes, this is at the heart of a lot of our recent issues. You can get away with having one or maybe two exceptional players giving the ball away if they're making up for it in other ways (i.e. scoring) but our entire front line is currently guilty of this and it's really holding us back. Lucas and Alli aren't providing much if they aren't scoring and constantly give the ball away cheaply in both promising positions and rudimentary passing moves.

I know it was only against Boro, but in the replay we started with Lo Celso, Lamela, Eriksen and Winks on the pitch together and we looked a completely different team. Our ball retention and passing game were so much better than in other matches and there was a clear fluidity to our play. We also saw a hint of this in the second half today when we had Lo Celso, Ndombele, Lamela and Winks all linking up.

We do need players like Lucas and Alli in the squad to provide a goal threat, but with both of them AND Son on the pitch at once we're sacrificing so much control and possession that it's putting pressure on the rest of the team. Hopefully Bergwijn will prove to be an improvement in this regard (he looked pretty tidy in possession today at least).
 

Neon_Knight_

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The strange thing about Alli is he doesn't look like he can't sprint anymore any more. If he can't and there is injury holding him back then he needs to deal with it. If he can sprint then his lack of effort means get him out starting line up until he can put the effort in.
I don't think many people would be sprinting after that challenge from Sterling. After seeing the slow motion replay of his ankle inverting, I'm surprised he stayed on.
 

parj

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I don't think many people would be sprinting after that challenge from Sterling. After seeing the slow motion replay of his ankle inverting, I'm surprised he stayed on.

I'm saying in general... He seems to labour around the pitch a lot more unless the ball is near him. I'm not saying lazy but more not really sprinting.

No idea of its hamstring issues but he does seem more Eriksen like in his running off the ball
 

Neon_Knight_

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Alli doesn’t get to make that call..the manager does.

He should do his best and try and run it off, until he's taken off.

If he gave up and we lost people would be criticising his weak mentality and that he doesn’t care enough, so he can’t win.

Everyone can see he’s not playing well, but he put his body on the line, so why not get behind him?!

Christ, this thread is like the vortex where all positivity and optimism gets sucked out of the universe!!
This is even more paramount when Mourinho is the manager. He's been very critical of players in the past and has already made public comments about Ndombele asking to not play after completing training injury free. Terry played through the pain barrier every week for a whole season during one of Chelsea's title wins (I think that was one of the reasons for the two cortisone injections per season ruling) and Mourinho praised him for it.
 

dimiSpur

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My brother has hit the nail on the head with Dele. With the Dele we've predominantly seen over the last 18 months at least.

He's the exact opposite to Aurier, he says. Serge could play a blinder for 89 mins, bar one ridiculous brain fart moment where he gives away a penalty or sees red. Dele is the opposite. He could be fucking pants for the whole game and pull an absolute worldy out the bag in one instant.

Ultimately however, it's not enough. We can't hang around enduring match after match of drivel, waiting for a moment of magic. He was excellent when Jose first came in, but he's unfortunately reverted to type now.

There are obvious reasons for this. He needs a striker to play off, accepted. He also needs to be in a team controlling the game, creating chances for him, also accepted. He also looks really tired early on in games, which obviously shows he needs a rest.

What we need to think about is whether that's enough from a player in such an important position. He's not a luxury as he works his bollocks off, off the ball. But he is a "luxury" in that you have to supply him. He's not a 10. He is a second striker. And we need to consider whether he fits in to the system Jose is trying to implement.

Personally I have my doubts, as I'd love to see a 4-3-3 with a DM, Lo Celso and Ndombele with 2 wingers behind Harry. Dele could fill in in either CM or in a wide position, but not ideally or naturally.

So there's a conundrum coming up in the summer. Sell and get 50 odd million to re-invest or build the whole system around allowing him to just ghost into the box.
 

double0

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Dele Alli is 23. Since Mourinho's arrival scored 6 and assisted 3. His stats are incredible since coming to Spurs. Voted young footballer twice in his time at Spurs. Has suffered serious hamstring.

We haven't seen his best yet and he is much more flexible than what people give him credit for.
 

yusrisafri

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My brother has hit the nail on the head with Dele. With the Dele we've predominantly seen over the last 18 months at least.

He's the exact opposite to Aurier, he says. Serge could play a blinder for 89 mins, bar one ridiculous brain fart moment where he gives away a penalty or sees red. Dele is the opposite. He could be fucking pants for the whole game and pull an absolute worldy out the bag in one instant.

Ultimately however, it's not enough. We can't hang around enduring match after match of drivel, waiting for a moment of magic. He was excellent when Jose first came in, but he's unfortunately reverted to type now.

There are obvious reasons for this. He needs a striker to play off, accepted. He also needs to be in a team controlling the game, creating chances for him, also accepted. He also looks really tired early on in games, which obviously shows he needs a rest.

What we need to think about is whether that's enough from a player in such an important position. He's not a luxury as he works his bollocks off, off the ball. But he is a "luxury" in that you have to supply him. He's not a 10. He is a second striker. And we need to consider whether he fits in to the system Jose is trying to implement.

Personally I have my doubts, as I'd love to see a 4-3-3 with a DM, Lo Celso and Ndombele with 2 wingers behind Harry. Dele could fill in in either CM or in a wide position, but not ideally or naturally.

So there's a conundrum coming up in the summer. Sell and get 50 odd million to re-invest or build the whole system around allowing him to just ghost into the box.
So you need your brother to tell you everything?
 

fortworthspur

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Dele Alli is 23. Since Mourinho's arrival scored 6 and assisted 3. His stats are incredible since coming to Spurs. Voted young footballer twice in his time at Spurs. Has suffered serious hamstring.

We haven't seen his best yet and he is much more flexible than what people give him credit for.
jesus christ, this. and when he scores its "apart from the goal he was dreadful". goals are actually very important.
 

eViL

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I like him as a player, but with the way our squad is being reshaped I dont see were he fits in. Wouldnt be against selling like Liverpool sold Coutinho so that we can reinforce the squad in the spots were short at.

Except he'd be going to Watford, not Barcelona.
 

JKendall13

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I think both Kane and Dele have dropped off a bit in quality the last two seasons because they’ve played so much football at such a high level for both England and Spurs.

4 straight seasons competing at the top of the league and deep in cup competitions for both club and country. Not surprised they are dragging a bit, especially with their collection of niggling injuries.

Hope Dele isn’t in the squad Wednesday and gets the whole two weeks off.
 

FinnYid

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Dele is suffering badly from our lack of striker, he thrives on playing off the proper striker and he was very efficient on first games under Jose untill Kane injured. Now he is rather lost and will be so untill Kane is back.
 

punkisback

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Except he'd be going to Watford, not Barcelona.
Whilst not as lowly as Watford, who would take him. United, City were likely destinations but they are stocked. As are Liverpool. And no way would we sell to Chelsea or Arsenal.
 
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