Dele Alli at Everton

[BringBack_leGin]

I think, given the extent of Kane’s injury, it’s time to just try Dele as an out and out striker, a number 9. Play a 433, surround him with pace, and let him lead the line.

 

[McFlash]

Problem is. Those arguing is Deles case has nothing other than stats and moments of brilliance in his defense. Why? Because there’s simply no other good arguments for him.

Yeah but I'd say that in his time with us, he's been a bloody good player and has shown he's got talent.
I agree that he's not been at his best for a while but he's only 23 and has had a meteoric rise to fame to deal with. To go from a kid at MK Dons, to one of the hottest youngsters in Europe, in the space of what, 2 years? That's gonna put a strain on anyone, it's a lot of pressure to deal with.
I just think that we should stick with him, rather than write him off, or use him as a scapegoat for our current overall shitness.

I mean looking at SC at the moment, our entire team is shit and we should sell them all, even Harry ffs.

 

[Johnny J]

I think, given the extent of Kane’s injury, it’s time to just try Dele as an out and out striker, a number 9. Play a 433, surround him with pace, and let him lead the line.

I'd rather play Parrott there. Alli isn't a 9 and I seriously doubt he can be effective there.

 

[JamieSpursCommunityUser]

Solid reply. Just so that we are clear you cannot back your defense of Dele with anything other than easily shot down opinion and emojis, right? Didn't think so. Thanks for taking advantage of the opportunity to straighten us out. The senseless of us often believe that if you cannot support a position with facts and reason then perhaps you've taken a wrong position. Then again we are senseless so who knows.

Got a high opinion of yourself don't you?

You've already demonstrated that you hate Dele Alli, without mitigation, nuance, or objectivity, and possibly blame him for the 1987 FA Cup Final defeat to Coventry.

So lets assume @Archibald&Crooks doesn't want to spend his evening, in addition to running the site (for you), constructing a satisfactory forensic statistical analysis of why a player who has 112 Goals and Assists in 205 appearances isn't sh*t, and all for the grand prize of changing your mind.

Sure goals and assists don't tell the whole story. But to claim a player with that kid of PL productivity has never been a good footballer, is patently absurd and petulant to the point of loosing credibility.

He just doesn't fit your particular ideals of what a no.10 should be. Mourinho likes his 10 to be a 9 1/2 with the ball (being close to the 9, breaking beyond the striker and/or arriving late) and as an 8 1/2 without the ball, which I'd say his work rate and engine are well suited to.

Hopefully with hard work and practice, a footballer can improve and add more to his game. Heck, it's happened before.

But if it's facts and evidence you seek. Go and look at his 2018/19 season.

Dele Alli - Stats 18/19

Player stats of Dele Alli (FC Everton) ➤ Goals ➤ Assists ➤ Matches played ➤ All performance data

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

He barely gets a run of more than 6 games before a hamstring or thigh muscle puts him out for another 4-6 weeks.

He's comes back from injury, plays like the rusty Dilly Dally, gradually improves and bangs a few goals in, then gets overplayed and "ping" out for another month.

Rinse and repeat. 2019/20 has been much of the same.

Couple that with our key playmaker downing tools, our midfield and full backs collapsing - and his confidence, form, decision making, and rhythm have suffered.

@Primativ @OPModric @ILS and my previous posts have put forward many arguments and explanations prior to this. You disagree and have no real desire to move from that position. Nothing I say here will convince you otherwise. You have your Dele back, enjoy.

but let's be honest ain't nobody paying sh*t for Dele Alli. the desperate lower teams can't afford him financially or tactically and the bigger teams wouldn't want his league 1 technical ability around...just like England and Southgate. We should give a call to West Ham.

You will get there in time on Dele. You are already hedging.

He's your Dele too pal.

Until the day he leaves or retires, he plays for Tottenham Hotspur.

And yet you appear to be maniacally fantasising about his comeuppance?

It all sounds pretty weird.

 

[sausage]

I always feel a bit ashamed when people start bashing our players when they have even the slightest run of bad form.

He's 2 or 3 months younger than Harry Winks, yet look at the level he's achieved. The drop is down to having an injury and then spending the best part of the year in one of our worst runs of form since the mid 90's.

I'm sure if we sold him it'd take about 5 mins for the same people to start talking about him like he was the best in the world.

 

[shelfmonkey]

I think if he just did the basics correctly; control, pass, tackle he would be twice the player he is. The complicated flair stuff he can pull off when needed its the simple things he just hasn't worked on Imagine if he could retain possession for us but still pop up with a goal or assist when necessary.

I couldn't agree more?

 

[heelspurs]

Got a high opinion of yourself don't you?

You've already demonstrated that you hate Dele Alli, without mitigation, nuance, or objectivity, and possibly blame him for the 1987 FA Cup Final defeat to Coventry.

So lets assume @Archibald&Crooks doesn't want to spend his evening, in addition to running the site (for you), constructing a satisfactory forensic statistical analysis of why a player who has 112 Goals and Assists in 205 appearances isn't sh*t, and all for the grand prize of changing your mind.

Sure goals and assists don't tell the whole story. But to claim a player with that kid of PL productivity has never been a good footballer, is patently absurd and petulant to the point of loosing credibility.

He just doesn't fit your particular ideals of what a no.10 should be. Mourinho likes his 10 to be a 9 1/2 with the ball (being close to the 9, breaking beyond the striker and/or arriving late) and as an 8 1/2 without the ball, which I'd say his work rate and engine are well suited to.

Hopefully with hard work and practice, a footballer can improve and add more to his game. Heck, it's happened before.

But if it's facts and evidence you seek. Go and look at his 2018/19 season.

Dele Alli - Stats 18/19

Player stats of Dele Alli (FC Everton) ➤ Goals ➤ Assists ➤ Matches played ➤ All performance data

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

He barely gets a run of more than 6 games before a hamstring or thigh muscle puts him out for another 4-6 weeks.

He's comes back from injury, plays like the rusty Dilly Dally, gradually improves and bangs a few goals in, then gets overplayed and "ping" out for another month.

Rinse and repeat. 2019/20 has been much of the same.

Couple that with our key playmaker downing tools, our midfield and full backs collapsing - and his confidence, form, decision making, and rhythm have suffered.





He's your Dele too pal.

Until the day he leaves or retires, he plays for Tottenham Hotspur.

And yet you appear to be maniacally fantasising about his comeuppance?

It all sounds pretty weird.

yeah, I've said my bit for the day. You should have posted this when I was in the mood to take it apart. Now I'm bored and hungry. Thanks for playing though.

 

[IfiHadTheWings]

right now, no...unless it was closer to the hundred, then it would be contingent on who I could get in. In the summer, yes. this is all from a footballing perspective and not the Korean market/broader business perspective.

And bringing it back to the topic at hand, I wouldn't want to derail a thread as that could be used against me for all manner of things, if you offered me 40-50M for Dele i would take it and go score 2 (maybe 3) new MF with actual footballing ability. I see this as Dele's greatest potential use. Let's hope his his stats pick up in the short term. Folks only care about those apparently.

3 midfielders for 40m or 50m...behave yourself.

 

[punkisback]

I couldn't agree more?

But the frustrating thing is. These easy things are the simplest part of the game to put in play but he just doesn’t seem to grasp them or work on them in training.

 

[shelfmonkey]

But the frustrating thing is. These easy things are the simplest part of the game to put in play but he just doesn’t to grasp them or work on them in training.

Failure to grasp and perform the basics is my greatest gripe with professional footballers, it drives me absolutely bananas!!

 

[Kiedis]

Problem is. Those arguing is Deles case has nothing other than stats and moments of brilliance in his defense. Why? Because there’s simply no other good arguments for him.

And your main argument is that he turns over possession and (checks notes) is shit.

I'd say goals and assists (that is something that indicates great movement and creative passing) coupled with the distance he covers and the number of high intensity sprints he makes is at least some form of argument.

As for turning over possesson, he's actually not any worse than any of Kane, Moura, Son and Lamela according to some stats. In case you're interested in stuff like that.

 

[Deleted member 29446]

And your main argument is that he turns over possession and (checks notes) is shit.

I'd say goals and assists (that is something that indicates great movement and creative passing) coupled with the distance he covers and the number of high intensity sprints he makes is at least some form of argument.

As for turning over possesson, he's actually not any worse than any of Kane, Moura, Son and Lamela according to some stats. In case you're interested in stuff like that.

Me and rest already laid out our arguments in regards to Dele Alli. It's not just loosing possession, it's way more than that.

 

[idontgetit]

How is Alli getting such a free ride, besides those few early goals under Mourinho he's been awful.

 

[Wadec]

Massive believer in Dele however I dont think he suits these 'big games' under Jose.

Whilst his output can be fantastic we do not create enough in these games for him to benefit. He also does not offer enough in other areas of his games to compensate for that.

Really poor performance today.

 

[allpaths]

first half same old dilly dally alli, second half alot more purpose to his play. He's a good player he just needs to get his head out of his own ass.

 

[fortworthspur]

I think, given the extent of Kane’s injury, it’s time to just try Dele as an out and out striker, a number 9. Play a 433, surround him with pace, and let him lead the line.

he was an out and out striker today for the first 70 minutes. People kept criticizing him as if he was playing midfield. He dropped deeper after the subs came on and did well.

 

[jamesc0le]

yh agree he was bad in moments and also had better moments today. weren't terrible. was sloppy. the foreign commentary helped me though i bet the english commentators were having a bash.

 

[KikoSpurs]

We are better off selling him to a spanish side.

He is too slow for PL pace.

 

[littlemandefoe]

Dele was not only poor today but has been for a while now. Don't know whats wrong but he's certainly not a starter, no where near deserves to!

 

[srups34]

I'm one of his biggest critics but I thought he played ok today.