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Dele Alli at Everton

heelspurs

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Unfortunately nowadays it's easier to point out what Dele does right. He needs dropped and that's no witch hunt, he's not doing enough on the field of play to be a certain starter.
Yeah, I was being facetious about @Jamturk 's boring rhetorical attempt to shut down fair and warranted discussion on this matter. I'm very, very, very aware of Dele's awful play and am not predisposed sugar-coating it.
 

srups34

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Yeah, I was being facetious about @Jamturk 's boring rhetorical attempt to shut down fair and warranted discussion on this matter. I'm very, very, very aware of Dele's awful play and am not predisposed sugar-coating it.
By the way I would love to see him improve as we know there's a very good player in there. But his form has dipped dramatically over the last year or so.
 

SugarRay

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In the first half, he had the chance to score from an Aurier cross, and he decided to use his heel instead of trying to strike the ball like a normal person.
It wouldn't be a problem if it weren't something he does every fucking game

The commentators made out like Aurier hit it way behind Dele, when in fact Dele could have gone for a sidefoot, which was a much better option than trying to overrun the cross and backheel it. The cross wasn’t perfect but he could have made something better of it imo.

He’s not improving any aspect of his game, which is severely lacking in various areas. That’s the worry.

Such a frustrating player. If he is to play, which is questionable, then put him as far away from our goal as possible. He loses the ball so much, be it through running down blind alleys, attempting ridiculous flicks which aren’t on, underhit lazy passes, looking for a free kick or a poor first touch, the deeper he plays the more of a liability he is
 

ILS

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Dele world class ???
If he didn't play for Spurs and we were.linked to him we would say he is a you tube player. If you stick him in an Everton or West Ham or even a Bournemouth he would not stand out week in week.
 

ajspurs

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In Kane’s absence, he should play in the number 9 position so our more creative, technical players can create chances for him

I really don't think this would turn out as some have in their head. Dele sneaking in behind, almost using the striker as a decoy and being hard to pick up, perfect. Dele being the primary person to mark for the opposition defenders and for our chances to fall for him, I'm really not sure...

Basically it comes down to the types of chances you create for him. When he is playing behind a striker he can run in behind and score goals where he generally doesn't have much time to do anything else other than to bring the ball down and get a shot off. I don't trust him to finish off other chances, I think he's actually technically pretty poor and give him chances where you'd be playing him through on goal where he has a bit of running to do and I think you'd see finishes similar to that shit sidefoot shot away at Norwich. It's weird, as you want him as close to goal as possible rather than anywhere else but at the same time he is very far from a striker.

I'm not his biggest fan but I would personally rather have Lucas on the end of those, a player can actually strike the ball, despite being frustrating in other areas.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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The highlighted bit, could it be that he is just following his managers instructions? Even the flicks and tricks are part of what make him who he is - who else would have scored the goal against Palace however many million years ago that was?

Possibly but I find it hard to believe a manager of Jose’s experience can’t see that Alli’s persistent wastefulness in possession is anything other than damaging to our attacking play. Yes flicks might come of occasionally or he will score every other game but the rest of the time his presence is to the detriment to us truly controlling matches or making numerous quality chances.
 

muppetman

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Possibly but I find it hard to believe a manager of Jose’s experience can’t see that Alli’s persistent wastefulness in possession is anything other than damaging to our attacking play. Yes flicks might come of occasionally or he will score every other game but the rest of the time his presence is to the detriment to us truly controlling matches or making numerous quality chances.
You could be right, but he does keep picking him and he keeps playing in roughly the same way. Jose has never struck me as a manager happy to let players just do whatever they fancy but he could be purely focused on the defense atm.

I guess what I'm saying is that clearly Dele isn't having a great effect on our build up play and that he is struggling but surely Jose sees this but keeps picking him - at which point do you start to look at the manager rather than (solely) the player?
 

ILS

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You could be right, but he does keep picking him and he keeps playing in roughly the same way. Jose has never struck me as a manager happy to let players just do whatever they fancy but he could be purely focused on the defense atm.

I guess what I'm saying is that clearly Dele isn't having a great effect on our build up play and that he is struggling but surely Jose sees this but keeps picking him - at which point do you start to look at the manager rather than (solely) the player?
Within 2 mins of Lamela and Lo Celso coming on within that area on the pitch we started moving the ball more quickly and be more progressive in our play. If against Liverpool he reverts back to norm then I would say he hasn't learnt at all and has not changed from the same errors he was making at Utd.

The worrying thing was his comment about him being his number 10 and I don't like any manager who guarantees players a place on the pitch unless they deserve it. All players have bad games and all plays go through rough patches but barring the odd game here or there, he has been going through a rough patch for the last two years and injuries have been used as the excuse.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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I guess what I'm saying is that clearly Dele isn't having a great effect on our build up play and that he is struggling but surely Jose sees this but keeps picking him - at which point do you start to look at the manager rather than (solely) the player?

Yes, I hear you. Suppose it comes down to results and performances. If we carry on our inconsistency and Dele still keeps performing the same way in the same position then we have to start questioning Jose. I’m no fan of Mourinho but he is a smart man. I don’t his blind spot for Dele to continue beyond this season if results don’t improve.
 

heelspurs

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I guess what I'm saying is that clearly Dele isn't having a great effect on our build up play and that he is struggling but surely Jose sees this but keeps picking him - at which point do you start to look at the manager rather than (solely) the player?
I got two eyes, one for each of 'em. (h/t val kilmer)
 

ILS

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Most of his passing today was a crime
It was the one where he passed it straight out by Jose in the second half and Jose started clapping to encourage. Last week my 10 year old did the same in the first five mins and I bollocked him. His passing was different class after that and I don't get paid £15m a year.
 

eViL

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It was the one where he passed it straight out by Jose in the second half and Jose started clapping to encourage. Last week my 10 year old did the same in the first five mins and I bollocked him. His passing was different class after that and I don't get paid £15m a year.

You're hired.
 

bubble07

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It was the one where he passed it straight out by Jose in the second half and Jose started clapping to encourage. Last week my 10 year old did the same in the first five mins and I bollocked him. His passing was different class after that and I don't get paid £15m a year.

Old Jose would have bollocked him but we have Jose Lite
 

Gassin's finest

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Jose was right on arrival though... Dele is too good to be ghosting through games like this. His goal against Man Utd was extraordinary technique. I've always said that his only obstacle is himself. He should be running games.
 

JamieSpursCommunityUser

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Good grief. Alli is a million miles from being the problem.

Lets try blaming whoever we hold accountable for buying 1 useful forward in 5 years, instead of a player who has been flogged into the ground since he came back from injury.

Since mid October he's played almost every minute, only rested for Bayern.


Whilst all of our rivals rotated over Christmas, we broke Kane with our "lets go an entire season with 1 striker' experiment, and yes unsurprisingly Alli's form has dipped since Chelsea, Brighton goal aside.


Yes he's frustrating at times, but we bring this sort of burn out on ourselves with our complacent negligent squad management.
 

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So essentially we have become more reliant on a player that isn't good enough? It makes sense. It's a big part of why we are so shit. We have built our attack around Alli, and he's nowhere near the required standard. We rely on him heavily to score and create, but he does neither at anywhere like a consistent basis, and his all round game is utter shit. Looks like Kane is suffering too, as he drops deeper, and is getting less clear cut chances to score.

Basically the team is a mess. We need to move Alli on and get a proper player in that position.
 

carpediem1906

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Other than his obvious lack of form, did anybody else also noticed that he’s a bit of a brat towards newer team mates?
Doesn’t seem to like passing to Sessegnon or GLC, and quick to berate them as well.
Also started to do a lot of keano type arms flailing in the air in frustration at team mates’ decisions and executions.
Acceptable if you are on TOP of your own game but annoying as hell when you are underperforming as well
 
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