Dele Alli at Everton

[ClintEastwould]

This boy is just so motivated now

Rose is a good lad. I don’t care that he’s mouthed out against the club on occasion. We’re not in a cult. He’s been here a decade now.

 

[Gassin's finest]

This boy is just so motivated now

Sulky bugger tho, ain't he?

 

[Hakkz]

Why is he looking so pissed off when he's subbed right at the end everytime?

 

[Marty]

Why is he looking so pissed off when he's subbed right at the end everytime?

He might be thinking he's had a bad game?

 

[Hakkz]

He might be thinking he's had a bad game?

Imo, he has looked like that the other games as well. If you're coming off in the 88th min (or whatever) you might as well sit down and think "Oh well, I did my part today". If you're hooked earlier then yeah, be pissed at yourself.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Why is he looking so pissed off when he's subbed right at the end everytime?

He would've wanted to carry on playing. Probably thought he could have had a goal. Also he's possibly still rueing that balls up he made in the first half when he was clear through and should have laid it off for Son.

Ronaldo is 35 and still strops when he comes off.

 

[tiger666]

Why is he looking so pissed off when he's subbed right at the end everytime?

To give Spurscommunity posters something to complain about.

 

[Hakkz]

He would've wanted to carry on playing. Probably thought he could have had a goal. Also he's possibly still rueing that balls up he made in the first half when he was clear through and should have laid it off for Son.

Ronaldo is 35 and still strops when he comes off.

Yeah he did fuck up in the first half, don't know what happened there.

Ronaldo strops because no one has dared to sub him off for 10 years.

 

[Shadydan]

He's a professional, he wants to play 90 mins every week like many other pros hardly a big thing.

 

[rabbikeane]

Could be he was upset about the grass stuck underneath his shoes.

Seriously though, good attitude, he want it bad. He's gonna go world class now.

 

[dagraham]

Why is he looking so pissed off when he's subbed right at the end everytime?

As long as he’s not showing any dissent to any of the coaching staff about being subbed then it’s not a bad thing. Rather that than a player come off and then sit there with their feet up, checking Facebook, picking their nose before having a nap.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Dele Alli's pass to Eric Dier proves the cage footballer that'll p*s you off is back - Planet Football

When Jose Mourinho took over as Tottenham manager, many of us wondered what it would mean for Dele Alli. We've found out.

www.planetfootball.com

 

[Primativ]

This guy really concerns me in the sense of I think he gets in the way of us building a coherent fluid attacking system.

He’s an anomaly in the modern game in terms of how he fits into a system. Essentially he requires you to build your whole attack around him. He isn’t a number 10. The problem with building your attack around him is he isn’t world class. He’s a very inconsistent young player with serious flaws.

I’m concerned as Mourinho has come in and indulged him. Yes Alli has really come back into form but it doesn’t last. I don’t see how we will become a complete side well balanced in all areas with Alli in our first 11.

It’s why I think we are fucked for the foreseeable future. There seems to be little coherence about how we want to play and who we sign. Alli hasn’t developed how I thought he would and become a goal getting number 8. I strongly suspect that was the type of young player we thought we were getting.

He is now a luxury player who needs to be indulged tactically to get the best out of, otherwise he’s a passenger. I just don’t see us becoming a proper side with this guy in our attack, regardless of his occasional goals and assists. He’s got talent but not enough to justify carving a position out for him in attack.

How does he fit into an attack with two WF, Kane, a number 10, number 8 and a DM.

Play him as a 9 and Kane drops back to a 10 and interchanges? Alli lack of pace makes that problematic and Kane is the best 9 in the world, again we are building our attack around fitting Alli in.

 

[ajspurs]

This guy really concerns me in the sense of I think he gets in the way of us building a coherent fluid attacking system.

He’s an anomaly in the modern game in terms of how he fits into a system. Essentially he requires you to build your whole attack around him. He isn’t a number 10. The problem with building your attack around him is he isn’t world class. He’s a very inconsistent young player with serious flaws.

I’m concerned as Mourinho has come in and indulged him. Yes Alli has really come back into form but it doesn’t last. I don’t see how we will become a complete side well balanced in all areas with Alli in our first 11.

It’s why I think we are fucked for the foreseeable future. There seems to be little coherence about how we want to play and who we sign. Alli hasn’t developed how I thought he would and become a goal getting number 8. I strongly suspect that was the type of young player we thought we were getting.

He is now a luxury player who needs to be indulged tactically to get the best out of, otherwise he’s a passenger. I just don’t see us becoming a proper side with this guy in our attack, regardless of his occasional goals and assists. He’s got talent but not enough to justify carving a position out for him in attack.

How does he fit into an attack with two WF, Kane, a number 10, number 8 and a DM.

Play him as a 9 and Kane drops back to a 10 and interchanges? Alli lack of pace makes that problematic and Kane is the best 9 in the world, again we are building our attack around fitting Alli in.

The problem is also the team around him though. Where Pochettino did very well is that he found a way around it, a way to have us strong in all other areas and still allow Dele to be present and flourishing in his role without really sacrificing any strength elsewhere. He still had Son out wide, Eriksen on the right to maintain that level of creativity and fluidity to the side that we lacked so much without him and Dier/Wanyama/Dembele in the centre to keep things solid and give the defence adequate protection. We don't have that at the moment.
We don't have anyone in the starting 11 to compensate for the lack of creativity due to Eriksen not starting, we don't have anyone with good enough defensive capabilities in the centre of midfield to protect the defence and without those two the side is lacking massively.

It's a really hard one, he's almost been the difference in our recent matches yet at the same time I don't think he allows us to play more of a system that we need in certain matches. I think maybe something we could try is to have a the 3 in the middle, consisting of someone sitting more with Lo Celso and Ndombele ahead, Sessegnon on the left, Kane centre and Dele on the right but more tucked inside and closer to his preferred position with Aurier occupying the wide right position.

My other worry is that we have no intention to try and get Ndombele and and Lo Celso in a midfield three.

 

[ILS]

This guy really concerns me in the sense of I think he gets in the way of us building a coherent fluid attacking system.

He’s an anomaly in the modern game in terms of how he fits into a system. Essentially he requires you to build your whole attack around him. He isn’t a number 10. The problem with building your attack around him is he isn’t world class. He’s a very inconsistent young player with serious flaws.

I’m concerned as Mourinho has come in and indulged him. Yes Alli has really come back into form but it doesn’t last. I don’t see how we will become a complete side well balanced in all areas with Alli in our first 11.

It’s why I think we are fucked for the foreseeable future. There seems to be little coherence about how we want to play and who we sign. Alli hasn’t developed how I thought he would and become a goal getting number 8. I strongly suspect that was the type of young player we thought we were getting.

He is now a luxury player who needs to be indulged tactically to get the best out of, otherwise he’s a passenger. I just don’t see us becoming a proper side with this guy in our attack, regardless of his occasional goals and assists. He’s got talent but not enough to justify carving a position out for him in attack.

How does he fit into an attack with two WF, Kane, a number 10, number 8 and a DM.

Play him as a 9 and Kane drops back to a 10 and interchanges? Alli lack of pace makes that problematic and Kane is the best 9 in the world, again we are building our attack around fitting Alli in.

What I have been saying for ages. All the top successful teams play 4-3-3 and Dele does not fit into that formation. Poch was still trying to shoehorn into the side which then left us without balance and doesn't play to Dele's strengths.

I remember reading about how Neil Warnock would not let Adel Taarabt in his own half and Dele is the same liability. If he hasn't released a ball within two seconds of receiving it, you can see him struggling.

Jose is only playing him in the one position he is truly effective and unfortunately against the better sides mean we will not get control of the game.

 

[wrd]

I still want to see him on the left of a 3 with an attacking fullback who overlaps whilst dele drifts inside ala Ronaldo/Marcelo at Madrid. He can do the work out wide out of possesion, we've seen him do it. Then we can get somebody who can control a game centrally like a certain argentine who we're going to end up paying a tidy sum for.

 

[Primativ]

I still want to see him on the left of a 3 with an attacking fullback who overlaps whilst dele drifts inside ala Ronaldo/Marcelo at Madrid. He can do the work out wide out of possesion, we've seen him do it. Then we can get somebody who can control a game centrally like a certain argentine who we're going to end up paying a tidy sum for.

How would that work? Alli is nothing like Ronaldo. Also that means putting Son on the right where he is far less effective. Again we are building our attack around a player who doesn’t justify it.

Jose has so many problems to solve. If I was him I’d drop Alli to a squad player and sign a WF. Play Lo Celso as number 10.

 

[wrd]

How would that work? Alli is nothing like Ronaldo. Also that means putting Son on the right where he is far less effective. Again we are building our attack around a player who doesn’t justify it.

Jose has so many problems to solve. If I was him I’d drop Alli to a squad player and sign a WF. Play Lo Celso as number 10.

I think Son can be pretty effective on the right, I can remember a lot of good moments on the right and a lot of stinkers on the left although it does seem he prefers the left.

The way it would be similar to Ronaldo in that role is it focuses on his strengths. Making runs in behind especially going from left to central and basically being a 2nd striker without any responsibility for creating play through the middle. They used to let Ronaldo basically play off Benzema and focus solely on scoring goals, which is what I think is the best approach with Dele. Im not suggesting he has similar ability purely the approach to get best from Dele.

Id say its worth a go considering Son is suspended anyway and Id drop Moura before I dropped Dele also.

 

[OPModric]

This guy really concerns me in the sense of I think he gets in the way of us building a coherent fluid attacking system.

He’s an anomaly in the modern game in terms of how he fits into a system. Essentially he requires you to build your whole attack around him. He isn’t a number 10. The problem with building your attack around him is he isn’t world class. He’s a very inconsistent young player with serious flaws.

I’m concerned as Mourinho has come in and indulged him. Yes Alli has really come back into form but it doesn’t last. I don’t see how we will become a complete side well balanced in all areas with Alli in our first 11.

It’s why I think we are fucked for the foreseeable future. There seems to be little coherence about how we want to play and who we sign. Alli hasn’t developed how I thought he would and become a goal getting number 8. I strongly suspect that was the type of young player we thought we were getting.

He is now a luxury player who needs to be indulged tactically to get the best out of, otherwise he’s a passenger. I just don’t see us becoming a proper side with this guy in our attack, regardless of his occasional goals and assists. He’s got talent but not enough to justify carving a position out for him in attack.

How does he fit into an attack with two WF, Kane, a number 10, number 8 and a DM.

Play him as a 9 and Kane drops back to a 10 and interchanges? Alli lack of pace makes that problematic and Kane is the best 9 in the world, again we are building our attack around fitting Alli in.

This is spot on and has been apparent for so many seasons.

We will never get our midfield right if he is in it. We can't have a #10 who primarily wants to run behind defenders and is that extremely limited. We need an Eriksen type who wants to recieve the ball and make us tick.

 

[Primativ]

I think Son can be pretty effective on the right, I can remember a lot of good moments on the right and a lot of stinkers on the left although it does seem he prefers the left.

The way it would be similar to Ronaldo in that role is it focuses on his strengths. Making runs in behind especially going from left to central and basically being a 2nd striker without any responsibility for creating play through the middle. They used to let Ronaldo basically play off Benzema and focus solely on scoring goals, which is what I think is the best approach with Dele. Im not suggesting he has similar ability purely the approach to get best from Dele.

Id say its worth a go considering Son is suspended anyway and Id drop Moura before I dropped Dele also.

It doesn't work, Alli doesn't have the pace or skill to play that type of role. Ronaldo has completely different attributes. Playing wide you want the player to be explosive to allow him to get the better of defending pacey fullbacks in the modern game. Look at Salah and Mane. Or hey have to be extremely creative with excellent ball playing ability. Again Dele doesn't fit. He dallies on the ball.

Dele just doesn't fit.