Dele Alli at Everton

[Shadydan]

Player Season appearances goals assists
Dele 15/16 33 10 9
16/17 37 18 9
17/18 36 9 11
18/19 25. 5 3

Son
15/16 28 4. 1
16/17 34 14 9
17/18 37 12 6
18/19 31 12 7

So now, Son produced more last season. Until last season Dele had greater output every other season.

I love both players and don’t really care who’s better, both can be argued, my objection is only at a time saying Son is much better.

Why only league ratio's for example Son has scored more goals in the FA Cup and much more in the CL?

Consistency is hitting the same targets that you set the previous season so for example Son has hit double figures in all comps from 2016/17 going forward whilst Dele's levels have dropped over the last 2 years.

I do agree with you about that though the extreme point was silly, Son isn't a 'much' better player than Dele however I do believe he's more consistent.

 

[Tottenhamboy85]

Why only league ratio's for example Son has scored more goals in the FA Cup and much more in the CL?

Consistency is hitting the same targets that you set the previous season so for example Son has hit double figures in all comps from 2016/17 going forward whilst Dele's levels have dropped over the last 2 years.

I do agree with you about that though the extreme point was silly, Son isn't a 'much' better player than Dele however I do believe he's more consistent.

All competitions ( total, Name, Goals, Assist )

18/19
29 - Heung-Min Son - 20 - 9
16 - Dele Alli - 7 - 9

17/18
29 - Heung-Min Son - 18 - 11
28 - Dele Alli - 14 - 14

16/17
31 - Dele Alli - 22 - 9
28 - Heung-Min Son - 21 - 7

15/16
22 - Dele Alli - 10 - 12
14 - Heung-Min Son - 8 - 6

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Why only league ratio's for example Son has scored more goals in the FA Cup and much more in the CL?

Consistency is hitting the same targets that you set the previous season so for example Son has hit double figures in all comps from 2016/17 going forward whilst Dele's levels have dropped over the last 2 years.

I do agree with you about that though the extreme point was silly, Son isn't a 'much' better player than Dele however I do believe he's more consistent.

I stick to the PL because anything can happen v league 1 FA cup sides of 4th seed CL sides. If we’re calling Son more consistent because he’s maintained the same level, we must accept that this level is still no better than Adele’s medium seasons, and below Dele’s best, but above his worst.

Ultimately they’re both excellent players who have flaws. One is in his prime, the other not yet for a few years.

 

[dagraham]

I stick to the PL because anything can happen v league 1 FA cup sides of 4th seed CL sides. If we’re calling Son more consistent because he’s maintained the same level, we must accept that this level is still no better than Adele’s medium seasons, and below Dele’s best, but above his worst.

Ultimately they’re both excellent players who have flaws. One is in his prime, the other not yet for a few years.

Well that is very harsh as she’s a league 1 player at best, although in the interest of balance I wouldn’t expect his cover version of Rolling in the Deep to be up to scratch.

 

[Shadydan]

I stick to the PL because anything can happen v league 1 FA cup sides of 4th seed CL sides. If we’re calling Son more consistent because he’s maintained the same level, we must accept that this level is still no better than Adele’s medium seasons, and below Dele’s best, but above his worst.

Ultimately they’re both excellent players who have flaws. One is in his prime, the other not yet for a few years.

Ah yes we only played league 1 FA Cup sides and 4th seed CL sides I remember now, the likes of Man City, Dortmund and Juve don't count because it doesn't suit your Argument, I see

It's cool no worries I'm not in the mood to debate semantics anyway.

 

[dtxspurs]

Ah yes we only played league 1 FA Cup sides and 4th seed CL sides I remember now, the likes of Man City, Dortmund and Juve don't count because it doesn't suit your Argument, I see

It's cool no worries I'm not in the mood to debate semantics anyway.

You love debating on semantics.

 

[ILS]

All of the top four teams play a midfield three with a pivot at the base due to the midfield battle being the most crucial. Jose is not a miracle worker who has all of sudden brought Dele to life, he has just played him in the only position where he is truly effective. He has always been a two second player. Everything good he does is within two seconds...if he hangs on to the ball longer than that he becomes just an average premiership player with below average decision making.

People keep saying Dele will walk back into the England team...the squad maybe if he continues but I can't see for one minute Southgate building a team around him and reverting back from his three in midfield.

I think when we play the lesser teams at home it makes sense to play him off Kane but last night was just all wrong. The amount of times Kane was deeper than him was ridiculous and the balance was clearly an issue.

It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out and how Jose adapts the formation especially in the big games away from home.

 

[Shadydan]

You love debating on semantics.

Hence not in the mood...

 

[OPModric]

All of the top four teams play a midfield three with a pivot at the base due to the midfield battle being the most crucial. Jose is not a miracle worker who has all of sudden brought Dele to life, he has just played him in the only position where he is truly effective. He has always been a two second player. Everything good he does is within two seconds...if he hangs on to the ball longer than that he becomes just an average premiership player with below average decision making.

People keep saying Dele will walk back into the England team...the squad maybe if he continues but I can't see for one minute Southgate building a team around him and reverting back from his three in midfield.

I think when we play the lesser teams at home it makes sense to play him off Kane but last night was just all wrong. The amount of times Kane was deeper than him was ridiculous and the balance was clearly an issue.

It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out and how Jose adapts the formation especially in the big games away from home.

Spot on!

 

[The Long Suffering One]

I can't believe the things he said post match yesterday. That we had approached the game with "overconfidence" and "arrogance". It's only our 4th game with a new manager, and a hugely successful one at that, and the players think they've made it.

When Jose came in, there was this feeling if he can be successful with this club. If anything, it's the club that needs to prove to the man himself that its players can win under him.

Jose will have his work cut out to revamp the mentality of this squad. Such a disgraceful attitude to carry yourself around with all you have under the new manager is to win a few games on the bounce and that's it.

 

[Shadydan]

I can't believe the things he said post match yesterday. That we had approached the game with "overconfidence" and "arrogance". It's only our 4th game with a new manager, and a hugely successful one at that, and the players think they've made it.

When Jose came in, there was this feeling if he can be successful with this club. If anything, it's the club that needs to prove to the man himself that its players can win under him.

Jose will have his work cut out to revamp the mentality of this squad. Such a disgraceful attitude to carry yourself around with all you have under the new manager is to win a few games on the bounce and that's it.

I shook my head when he said that.

But it just tells you where we are at at the moment, there is an air of complacency around the place, I don't know where it's come from but it need to be eradicated. Seems like players have been coasting for well over a year now...Jose will sort it, he's dealt with squads with much bigger ego's.

 

[punkisback]

All of the top four teams play a midfield three with a pivot at the base due to the midfield battle being the most crucial. Jose is not a miracle worker who has all of sudden brought Dele to life, he has just played him in the only position where he is truly effective. He has always been a two second player. Everything good he does is within two seconds...if he hangs on to the ball longer than that he becomes just an average premiership player with below average decision making.

People keep saying Dele will walk back into the England team...the squad maybe if he continues but I can't see for one minute Southgate building a team around him and reverting back from his three in midfield.

I think when we play the lesser teams at home it makes sense to play him off Kane but last night was just all wrong. The amount of times Kane was deeper than him was ridiculous and the balance was clearly an issue.

It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out and how Jose adapts the formation especially in the big games away from home.

I agree, completely detriment to the way a modern football team should be set up. Having him and Sissoko in the team makes us really lose balance as we have two players who cannot retain the ball.

 

[dagraham]

I shook my head when he said that.

But it just tells you where we are at at the moment, there is an air of complacency around the place, I don't know where it's come from but it need to be eradicated. Seems like players have been coasting for well over a year now...Jose will sort it, he's dealt with squads with much bigger ego's.

I’ve often said that the constant narrative from Poch, fans and outside observers that we’ve been “punching above our weight” does us little favour.

Yes it’s technically true and fair and it has got us recognition, but imo it’s a constant get out clause for the players. We’ve no right to expect to win stuff, so we don’t.

It’s one thing having the mentality to compete and to stage fight backs from lost positions, but it’s quite another to have to constantly live up to expectation and deliver, over and over again.

That’s what the top teams do and Jose is going to have to instil that mentality and drive higher standards if we want to achieve things.

When was the last time you saw a Spurs player really bollock a team mate for a fuck up on the pitch?

 

[The Opinionated Lurker]

I’ve often said that the constant narrative from Poch, fans and outside observers that we’ve been “punching above our weight” does us little favour.

Yes it’s technically true and fair and it has got us recognition, but imo it’s a constant get out clause for the players. We’ve no right to expect to win stuff, so we don’t.

It’s one thing having the mentality to compete and to stage fight backs from lost positions, but it’s quite another to have to constantly live up to expectation and deliver, over and over again.

That’s what the top teams do and Jose is going to have to instil that mentality and drive higher standards if we want to achieve things.

When was the last time you saw a Spurs player really bollock a team mate for a fuck up on the pitch?

Tripps used to do that but tell people off for his own mistakes

 

[Gassin's finest]

I shook my head when he said that.

But it just tells you where we are at at the moment, there is an air of complacency around the place, I don't know where it's come from but it need to be eradicated. Seems like players have been coasting for well over a year now...Jose will sort it, he's dealt with squads with much bigger ego's.

That's been a Spurs trait for as long as I can remember. Like twatting Man Utd 4-1 on new years in 96, then losing 1-0 at home to West Ham (as per) the next month.

 

[dagraham]

That's been a Spurs trait for as long as I can remember. Like twatting Man Utd 4-1 on new years in 96, then losing 1-0 at home to West Ham (as per) the next month.

I think that is also one if the reasons we are quite disliked as a club. I know in this social media age everyone tends to hate everyone and everybody anyway, and I think younger and newer fans imagine it’s fuelled by jealousy as we are well run and have done well “doing things the right way”.

However, a lot of the dislike stems from a view that we’re big time Charlie’s who think we’re better than we are despite not actually achieving much.

 

[Gassin's finest]

I think that is also one if the reasons we are quite disliked as a club. I know in this social media age everyone tends to hate everyone and everybody anyway, and I think younger and newer fans imagine it’s fuelled by jealousy as we are well run and have done well “doing things the right way”.

However, a lot of the dislike stems from a view that we’re big time Charlie’s who think we’re better than we are despite not actually achieving much.

Yeah I can see that. As good as we've been, the response from other clubs fans are along the lines of "you've not done much though"

 

[OPModric]

Son is obviously a great player but I don't think he links particularly well with Kane in a front 2 and, unlike Alli, is more of a natural wide forward and can do a job out wide.

I do agree that Alli is probably getting a bit too far forward at times - yesterday in the second half in particular we kinda morphed into a 4-4-2 and it wasn't pretty at all. If he can get the balance right between dropping deeper to support in midfield and making his trademark runs behind, we'll look a lot more balanced IMO.

Agree, but in ny opinion there is much better players than Alli for such a role.

 

[glacierSpurs]

This boy is just so motivated now

 

[Gareth88]

That's been a Spurs trait for as long as I can remember. Like twatting Man Utd 4-1 on new years in 96, then losing 1-0 at home to West Ham (as per) the next month.

Nostalgia kicking in