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thecook

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I like him and appreciate what he's shown in the past, but longer term he's the precise opposite to what kind of wide forward we should be looking for. So I can't see what future he has a regular starter any more. (ie no pace, no trick, predictable he'll cut inside, and rubbish on the left - I'd like us to get at least one winger who can play both sides). And he's not a central attacker or number 10 either, just doesnt have the guile for that role.
 

FuturistiC123

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Son and Johnson are the only 2 of our forwards who should not be made available for sale this summer. Although if Solomon can recover including his,speed we might only need to bring 3 in.

I can't see anyone coming in for Kulu for the money we'd want though so perhaps,a loan with an option back to Italy will be the best we can manage.

Everyone works hard, so what.

Unproductive, simple as that
Just find Ally Gold's article on Spurs Express in late March, a mere 6 weeks ago where he named the 3 players who are our most creative. Madders got in because of his early season form, if I recall correctly Romero was included. Ahead of the pack was Kulu, by some distance. So many people on here just talk about pace, did you watch City yesterday, no pace until Walker was subbed on because of injury, just ball retention, structure, shape and accurate passing, backed up by pressing. Johnson or Son cant hold the ball up, or withstand a challenge from the rear. Kulu was switched to the left yesterday to assist Skipp, Johnson cant be relied on to put a foot in, hold the ball up or get stuck in.

Son, Johnson and Timo are more or less 3 of a kind. Kulu has several strengths they don't possess. Yet, a few weeks of erratic form and you want him out. Apart from a couple of players they've all been poor in recent times, lets flog 'em all.
 

nico97531

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He’s playing more out of necessity/lack of viable options as opposed to being particularly appreciated by Ange.

Just sticks out like a sore thumb in being at the heart of continuous breakdowns of attack.
Don’t think that’s true, think he’s definitely one of Ange’s favorite for some reason, he’s played in 34 out of 36 league games, starting in 30. So he definitely sees something in him, just not sure what, apart from the energy.
 

nico97531

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I don't think we should sell.

I think we should bring in players that are better suited to Ange's system and see if Deki can fit somewhere.

Pace has never been an issue for him because of his strength, power, crossing, passing and intelligent play.

However, he isn't doing it with the consistency required and that's when his pace does become highlighted.

Having said that. Today he had a CM playing LB behind him and Deki just isn't a LWF because of his natural movement. So that was bound to effect his performance.

It's just the moments we needed him to show his quality he completely messed it up
He wasn’t better on the right either.
 

Flobadob

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He’s worth keeping because he can play out wide, 10 and I think he could even be deployed as a striker if we really needed but should he be starting for us in any of these positions? I really don’t think so personally. Good player but not good enough to be starting for us in this system.
 

Joely

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He is capable of having some very good games and could be an extremely useful player as part of the squad. However I just don't see Ange turning to someone with his profile for one of the wide positions week in week out.

Think for for those positions, Ange will probably be looking for at least a couple of attributes out of genuine pace, dribbling ability, sharp changes in direction and generally having that unpredictability where the opposition start thinking of doubling up.

Kulu doesn't really excel at any of those. Also not sure if he is someone who is capable of consistently targeting say 12-15 goals a season. Definitely has a goal in him but nowadays the bar has been raised so high in terms of your wide players offering a genuine goal threat, I'm not sure he can reach those levels.
 

Nick-TopSpursMan

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Just find Ally Gold's article on Spurs Express in late March, a mere 6 weeks ago where he named the 3 players who are our most creative. Madders got in because of his early season form, if I recall correctly Romero was included. Ahead of the pack was Kulu, by some distance. So many people on here just talk about pace, did you watch City yesterday, no pace until Walker was subbed on because of injury, just ball retention, structure, shape and accurate passing, backed up by pressing. Johnson or Son cant hold the ball up, or withstand a challenge from the rear. Kulu was switched to the left yesterday to assist Skipp, Johnson cant be relied on to put a foot in, hold the ball up or get stuck in.

Son, Johnson and Timo are more or less 3 of a kind. Kulu has several strengths they don't possess. Yet, a few weeks of erratic form and you want him out. Apart from a couple of players they've all been poor in recent times, let’s flog 'em all.

You mention City but Foden is quick and is very nimble with good acceleration. Bernardo is way more agile than Deki, more nimble and has quicker feet with a smaller turning circle, so he’s able to manipulate the ball in tighter spaces or under pressure much better.

Deki’s problem is he’s just too heavy with his turning and agility. Add that to his lack of acceleration and you just have a very one paced player who doesn’t have an amazing shot or consistent go to trick.

He has to play centrally and try to develop there if he’s to become a good enough player to keep.
 

nico97531

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He had a very poor game, but if you can't see his second half was MUCH better than the first, that's on you.
What did he do in the second half that was MUCH better than the first?

Is that the 2 crosses he put in on the right instead of the 1 cross from the left?

Is that the time he needlessly lost the ball in our half that resulted in a counter that could have cost us a goal if not for Romero ‘ outstretching leg?

Is that the time he decided to pass to no one when we had a 3v2 on the right with Maddison and Sarr making runs either side of him?

Or the countless times of him wondering around the center instead of attacking the back post when we had worked the ball to the left byline?

The fact is that our left side was ineffective in the first half and the result of switching him to the right was our right side became just as ineffective as our left.

the game didn’t change until he’s taken off and we had better balance in the attack. So please tell me what exactly did he do that was MUCH better?
 

mil1lion

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But he literally does nothing game after game, why even have him as a bench option, just put him up for sale and take any half decent fee we get.
Players can have spells like this. He's still growing and we have others who offer nothing. I don't agree he offers nothing, he puts a shift in every game. It's just a lot on the ball isn't coming off for him. We have Soloman injured all season and Gil too weak, they should be at the exit door ahead of Kulusevski.
 

13VanDerBale13

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Players can have spells like this. He's still growing and we have others who offer nothing. I don't agree he offers nothing, he puts a shift in every game. It's just a lot on the ball isn't coming off for him. We have Soloman injured all season and Gil too weak, they should be at the exit door ahead of Kulusevski.

That’s the bare minimum of a professional footballer …
 

mil1lion

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That’s the bare minimum of a professional footballer …
It is but not everyone does that much. Plenty who hide when things aren't going well. He works a fair bit harder than Johnson for example. He's also the only attacking player we have who can actually hold up the ball.
 

jezz

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Players can have spells like this. He's still growing and we have others who offer nothing. I don't agree he offers nothing, he puts a shift in every game. It's just a lot on the ball isn't coming off for him. We have Soloman injured all season and Gil too weak, they should be at the exit door ahead of Kulusevski.
Sorry he doesn't put any shift in.
He just wanders back aimlessly.
Next time he plays watch him and Maddison they both can't be arsed.
 

mil1lion

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Sorry he doesn't put any shift in.
He just wanders back aimlessly.
Next time he plays watch him and Maddison they both can't be arsed.
He's always tracking back but he obviously isn't that good at tackling. That's normal for an attacker though. Eriksen didn't make too many tackles but he also worked hard and cut off avenues for the opponent. To say he can't be arsed is straight up wrong.
 

Cochise

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Sorry he doesn't put any shift in.
He just wanders back aimlessly.
Next time he plays watch him and Maddison they both can't be arsed.
His pressing and distance covered stats earlier in the season would say otherwise. Deki might be many things but lazy he is not.

FWIW I think Ange wants his wingers to remain in spaces where if we turn over the ball they can be reached quickly and spark a counter. Johnson has had similar comments levelled at him this year.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Players can have spells like this. He's still growing and we have others who offer nothing. I don't agree he offers nothing, he puts a shift in every game. It's just a lot on the ball isn't coming off for him. We have Soloman injured all season and Gil too weak, they should be at the exit door ahead of Kulusevski.
All 3 need to go although I’d argue that Solomon looked more effective in the time he played than Kulu has in Ange’s system.
 

Yiddo1982

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If his sale facilitates two pacy, tricky, Ange type wingers then we should get rid. Love Kulu but we need to be moving away from square pegs in round holes for this system to truly flourish
 

Japhet

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We've got a few key players that are low on confidence at the moment. Kulu, Sarr, Maddison, Bissouma, Bentancur are all under performing, and their individual form affects everybody else. Johnson and Son are hardly pulling up trees either and that's a lot of players to have out of form at the same time.
 

cliff jones

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Just find Ally Gold's article on Spurs Express in late March, a mere 6 weeks ago where he named the 3 players who are our most creative. Madders got in because of his early season form, if I recall correctly Romero was included. Ahead of the pack was Kulu, by some distance. So many people on here just talk about pace, did you watch City yesterday, no pace until Walker was subbed on because of injury, just ball retention, structure, shape and accurate passing, backed up by pressing. Johnson or Son cant hold the ball up, or withstand a challenge from the rear. Kulu was switched to the left yesterday to assist Skipp, Johnson cant be relied on to put a foot in, hold the ball up or get stuck in.

Son, Johnson and Timo are more or less 3 of a kind. Kulu has several strengths they don't possess. Yet, a few weeks of erratic form and you want him out. Apart from a couple of players they've all been poor in recent times, lets flog 'em all.
So the basis of your point is Ally Gold's opinion, and that until the past few weeks Kulu has been productive- and he offers something different to others.

He's been poor for well over a year, with only very occasional good days.

Better agree to disagree mate
 
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