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Player Watch: Davinson Sanchez

Spurrific

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Doesn't help that he has never had a consistent run in the side next to the same partner, and our full-backs have been a travesty the last few years - since Walker and Rose disappeared. He has all the talent and tools to be a top centre back, but as a young player he hasn't been given the conditions to succeed.
 

Japhet

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Having a midfield 2 in front of him with Sissoko constantly covering Aurier hasn't been good for him. Can't think of a single situation v Everton though that DS would have struggled with where we had Sissoko Winks and GLC in midfield.
 

Shadydan

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Put a competent CDM in front of him and everything changes, just like the posts in here will.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Do you really think he's improving year on year? I don't personally I think he's got worse. I thought towards the end of his first year he looked a bit green but showed potential. I don't see that now. There are to many mistakes under pressure but then he is playing in a defence with little confidence to be fair but I don't see a great player in there.
Hard to say mate as he's had some injuries and been in and out of the team but his showing against Man.U when we parked the bus was very very good so I think there are still very good signs he's just still not quite consistent enough.
I do worry that he gets bullied a bit and turned a bit too easily, hopefully he can keep getting stronger and cleverer as Toby rarely gets turned or bullied and I can't imagine there is much between the two of them strengthwise. I certainly don't want to give up on him yet given his age etc. Foyth on the other hand I think is much rawer and needs a loan or to be sold.
 

hughy

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My main problem with Sanchez is how insanely inconsistent he is. He can literally go from a world class CB to a Sunday league CB and back again within the space of 3 games.

I rate him, but he seriously needs to sort out his concentration patterns in some games.
 

razzmaster

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I think Sanchez needs to have the right system for him to shine.

What doesn't suit him right now is having a right back who plays as a right winger, no proper defensive midfielder, a lack of options to pass to and a defence that sits too deep.

If he is allowed to be aggressive and use his recovery pace then he is a different player.

Our current system exploits his weaknesses.
 

Japhet

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I think Sanchez needs to have the right system for him to shine.

What doesn't suit him right now is having a right back who plays as a right winger, no proper defensive midfielder, a lack of options to pass to and a defence that sits too deep.

If he is allowed to be aggressive and use his recovery pace then he is a different player.

Our current system exploits his weaknesses.

Again, 3 in midfield instead of 2 opens up a whole load of options and angles for our back line to use when we're playing out of defense. We did OK with 2 when we had Dembele, but how heavily did we have to rely on his immense strength on the ball for that to happen.
 

razzmaster

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Again, 3 in midfield instead of 2 opens up a whole load of options and angles for our back line to use when we're playing out of defense. We did OK with 2 when we had Dembele, but how heavily did we have to rely on his immense strength on the ball for that to happen.

Dembele and Wanyama were so strong and powerful that they allowed us to play a 2 in midfield. Dembele also had that freakish ability to protect the ball and glide past players which meant that space opened up for our attackers.

Of our current crop of midfielders I don't think any combination works in a 2 so it seems like a no brainer to play 433 bit for some reason Jose won't try it.
 

Japhet

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Dembele and Wanyama were so strong and powerful that they allowed us to play a 2 in midfield. Dembele also had that freakish ability to protect the ball and glide past players which meant that space opened up for our attackers.

Of our current crop of midfielders I don't think any combination works in a 2 so it seems like a no brainer to play 433 bit for some reason Jose won't try it.

I'm like a stuck record going on about this but it was the same with Poch. It's so bleedin' obvious to me it's painful!
 

BringBack_leGin

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Dembele and Wanyama were so strong and powerful that they allowed us to play a 2 in midfield. Dembele also had that freakish ability to protect the ball and glide past players which meant that space opened up for our attackers.

Of our current crop of midfielders I don't think any combination works in a 2 so it seems like a no brainer to play 433 bit for some reason Jose won't try it.
Agree that we don’t have really any players suited to a 2 so we should play a 3. V Everton it looked like a 3 to me.

The trick with a 3 is finding a way to get that midfield control without isolating the forward, as was the case under AVB. In that respect, Dele playing on whichever side we have an attacking fullback might be a solution as if nothing else he won’t drift too far from Harry, but has the lungs to still protect the full back. Alternatively, Lamela.
 

wrd

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Agree that we don’t have really any players suited to a 2 so we should play a 3. V Everton it looked like a 3 to me.

The trick with a 3 is finding a way to get that midfield control without isolating the forward, as was the case under AVB. In that respect, Dele playing on whichever side we have an attacking fullback might be a solution as if nothing else he won’t drift too far from Harry, but has the lungs to still protect the full back. Alternatively, Lamela.

I think we would benefit from just going with 1 "winger" in the traditional sense of Son, Bergwijn or Moura and going with Dele or Lamela on the other side and also having the midfield 3.
 

Vincent30

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I still think people are being a tad optimistic, saying that with a DM we will truly see him. When if you actually watch him over these last 3 years he still constantly does the same things wrong and unfortunately hasn't shown any improvement. As a CB he struggles with the following:

1 on 1 battles with attackers - especially physically.
He is terrible at reading the flight of the ball. Not sure i've seen a CB as bad as him in the air.
Positioning is average but he becomes reckless when getting involved in physical battles that he always seems to lose.
Doesn't really command the defence or lead.
Below average with the ball at his feet.

Now i know the full backs are average and we have no DM, but does getting in two new full backs and a DM suddenly improve all or any of those flaws in his play. The only one that would hopefully improve would be his positioning and he will have more people to back up his recklessness.

The way i rate players is easy. When i look at the team we are playing who am i upset is starting for the other team. If Sanchez was lined up against us, i wouldn't be upset at all.
 

H-SF

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Since it evident that Jose wants a centre-back this summer, would it not make some sense to sell Davinson? Dier is clearly someone Jose rates highly (I could see him being first choice next season) and I doubt Toby will leave having just penned a new deal. Tanganga is also at our disposal and as one of our best youngsters at the club he won't be leaving. Jan is likely to leave on a free yet that's 3 centre backs who will definitely be part of the squad next season, and if we are bringing in another with a view to them possibly being first choice with Dier would it not make some sense to part ways with Davinson? He's probably got the highest value out of all our centre backs and I don't get the impression Jose massively rates him. If he did, why would he be so desperate for a CB? If we were to get 35m for him it would massively aid our other business this summer.
 

wrd

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Since it evident that Jose wants a centre-back this summer, would it not make some sense to sell Davinson? Dier is clearly someone Jose rates highly (I could see him being first choice next season) and I doubt Toby will leave having just penned a new deal. Tanganga is also at our disposal and as one of our best youngsters at the club he won't be leaving. Jan is likely to leave on a free yet that's 3 centre backs who will definitely be part of the squad next season, and if we are bringing in another with a view to them possibly being first choice with Dier would it not make some sense to part ways with Davinson? He's probably got the highest value out of all our centre backs and I don't get the impression Jose massively rates him. If he did, why would he be so desperate for a CB? If we were to get 35m for him it would massively aid our other business this summer.

Completely dependant on value we get and who we get instead.
 

Goobers

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I don’t think he is a great and brother do I think he is shot at all. I do think he has the capability to improve too
 

ultimateloner

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His key asset is speed. He is the only one with any chance against a fast striker in one-on-one situations. He is our future.
 
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