Player watch: Danny Rose

[Spurs 1961]

With recent high profile sports people sharing their own experiences of depression the climate exists for Danny Rose to share this now so I understand why he did it. Also it's a tough thing to discuss maybe even with those closest to you so being able to do it publicly and not have to keep repeating yourself can also make sense.

 

[dricha1]

From a Spurs POV I assume this would mean he’s more likely to stay?

 

[E17yid]

Fair play to him. The only thing I thought that didn’t make sense was him saying he doesn’t want his fam to go to Russia as he will fear for their safety, but his mum was racially abused in Doncaster and his family home and brother were shot at. Sounds like Doncaster is more dangerous at the min.

 

[smudger]

And he still LOVES playing for us!!!

Are you sure herc? Not questioning you of course. But after reading that interview it seems anything but. If I hadn’t have read your comments here first I’d be fuming with him again. He was the one saying about fines so don’t get why he would say that if he hadn’t? Unless the club said to say it ? The England is his get away etc was really telling for me and he had nothing but praise for Southgate and England and no mention at all about us. Granted it’s England duty but still. At one time the joke was he was poch’s son now he doesn’t even get a mention

 

[tiger666]

Are you sure herc? Not questioning you of course. But after reading that interview it seems anything but. If I hadn’t have read your comments here first I’d be fuming with him again. He was the one saying about fines so don’t get why he would say that if he hadn’t? Unless the club said to say it ? The England is his get away etc was really telling for me and he had nothing but praise for Southgate and England and no mention at all about us. Granted it’s England duty but still. At one time the joke was he was poch’s son now he doesn’t even get a mention

Bear in mind it's an England interview at St George's Park just before the World Cup. We don't know the questions he was asked. No real surprise it's mainly mentioning England.

 

[Hercules]

Let me rephrase, he is comfortable here. Not etching to leave, and want to enjoy his football again with us. We promised him before he got injured, and Kyle left, that he was to give us one good season, and we would allow him to look northof the right club came in for him etc.

I don’t believe it will happen, but say Yanited cane in for him, weceoukd becwilling, and so would he.

 

[E17yid]

One of the saddest things is how easily doctors dish out meds for anyone who expresses even the vaguest symptoms of depression. Know loads of people who have gone to a GP saying I’m sad and want to sleep all the time and they walk out of the surgery pills in hand and signed off work which means any problems the person may have isn’t really getting sorted. I’m sure Danny has all the support he needs from the club, though. Not the same for Joe Blogs however.

 

[allatsea]

Sad news hoping Danny has a great World Cup and that in some way helps him in his recovery.

 

[zepstar]

For a long time, I’ve thought that we’ve been sleepwalking into a mental health epidemic in this country across all sections of society. I think Danny Rose is very brave to speak out and my estimation of the man has grown even higher. I hope he stays with the club. I hope he gets better and I will be giving him my full support next season.

When he had the ball in his own half, you felt safe. When he had the ball in the opposition half, you were thrilled at the possibilities. Some player. I hope we get him back.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

One of the saddest things is how easily doctors dish out meds for anyone who expresses even the vaguest symptoms of depression. Know loads of people who have gone to a GP saying I’m sad and want to sleep all the time and they walk out of the surgery pills in hand and signed off worrek which means any problems the person may have isn’t ally getting sorted. I’m sure Danny has all the support he needs from the club, though. Not the same for Joe Blogs however.

I can confirm this. I'm still fighting six years later and they won't allow me back onto the pills.

For Rose - I'm hoping that he is getting all the support he requires now to fight it. Going public isn't easy (mental illness) and the nature of the beast is such a hard thing to open up about as no one else, unless close to you or if you let them in, can see it.

The past is the past. However people feel, Danny Rose is a brave man for opening up, fair play he has the platform to do so, but on the eve of a world cup, to do an interview like this then he gets my support.

Good luck Danny (not that he or anyone that knows him is likely to read this)

 

[Ossie'sAardvark]

Obviously THFC knew of his struggle with his illness. We didn't, so I view peeps anger rightly at the interview. That being said mental illness enables the wearer to make regular bad decisions. Forgiven, and forgot by me. Hope he stays and rips the league up next season.

 

[sausage]

Plenty to agree with & hopefully it's all behind you @sausage

I believe one of the hardest things for ex jocks is once they leave the limelight.
If they haven't prepared for retirement, not so much financially, but in psychological terms & one aspect is the attention (or lack thereof). For most, it's a vacuous existence going from the highs of global adulation to the lows of irrelevance.
Plenty of cases of depression post career as being an "elite athlete" was their sole identity for so long.

For me it's always going to be there - for me it is comparable to an addiction whereby you learn how to live with it, but you are aware how easy it can be to fall back into it. I really think it depends on how and why you were affected, and or a lot of people it is more of a permanent injury than a window of illness.

That's life though and I'm sure there are plenty who suffer in silence because it's a blind spot in society, but even more so because it's only really just becoming socially acceptable for men to open up about these things.

Just got to support players through this, and it looks like the club knew and did what they could to help (as seemed to also be the case with Lamela)

 

[Zippy1980]

People on here are, and will, use this as ammunition against Danny because of the first interview. It’s disgusting in my view.

 

[smudger]

Let me rephrase, he is comfortable here. Not etching to leave, and want to enjoy his football again with us. We promised him before he got injured, and Kyle left, that he was to give us one good season, and we would allow him to look northof the right club came in for him etc.

I don’t believe it will happen, but say Yanited cane in for him, weceoukd becwilling, and so would he.

Thanks herc. Is a shame all round, one for him on personal level but also us on a professional and fan level coz he was and probably is best left back on his day. Maybe it’s the idealist in me but just want players who proper love playing for us out there. And seems like he don’t no more for whatever reason. Obviously is deeper issues which I can’t relate to so not gonna go into it. Just wish he was loving playing with us again.

 

[Spurrific]

People on here are, and will, use this as ammunition against Danny because of the first interview. It’s disgusting in my view.

Who has? I haven’t seen one person do what you’ve said.

 

[Khilari]

One of the saddest things is how easily doctors dish out meds for anyone who expresses even the vaguest symptoms of depression. Know loads of people who have gone to a GP saying I’m sad and want to sleep all the time and they walk out of the surgery pills in hand and signed off work which means any problems the person may have isn’t really getting sorted. I’m sure Danny has all the support he needs from the club, though. Not the same for Joe Blogs however.

Rubbish.

Sadness and grief are very clearly different entities from clinical depression. Doctors do not dish out antidepressants (or sleeping tablets willy nilly).

People who show signs of clinical depression are not just given pills. In fact careful assessment is made, tablets take at least 2 weeks before they even start working so it is far better to initiate treatment than do nothing. And treatment is often in the form of counselling first. Most patients are followed up very closely.

Depression can be note debilitating than a lot of serious physical illness.

On Rose:
I have a lot of respect for Danny Rose coming to the table and talking about his issues. Mental health illness affects up to 1/3 people in some way at some time and it’s important we can be open - the more this is “normalised” in sport, the easier it will be for other players to get help and support.

 

[fortworthspur]

Rubbish.

Sadness and grief are very clearly different entities from clinical depression. Doctors do not dish out antidepressants (or sleeping tablets willy nilly).

People who show signs of clinical depression are not just given pills. In fact careful assessment is made, tablets take at least 2 weeks before they even start working so it is far better to initiate treatment than do nothing. And treatment is often in the form of counselling first. Most patients are followed up very closely.

Depression can be note debilitating than a lot of serious physical illness.

On Rose:
I have a lot of respect for Danny Rose coming to the table and talking about his issues. Mental health illness affects up to 1/3 people in some way at some time and it’s important we can be open - the more this is “normalised” in sport, the easier it will be for other players to get help and support.

agree, and Id add that you really cant think your way out of depression and pharmaceutical management is usually appropriate. an exception would be an adjustment disorder where you are depressed as a result of a single traumatic event.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

All the experts on depression in a thread eh? Who would have thunk it?

Just because of how things are meant to be dealt with and how they are dealt with in this world doesn't mean you can paint the same picture for everyone.

I really fucking hate people who weigh in without a fucking thought for those who have suffered and continue to suffer.

 

[Ossie'sAardvark]

Explains his "self destructive " chat, (out of the blue) with the journo. Explains hercs anger at our aggressive reaction. Now we understand he'll find us different.

 

[Danners9]

Doesn't surprise me one bit that he went through this. From his interviews it does appear that he thinks more, or worries more, than others who might just brush it off - or find comfort in a vice like drinking or gambling, as some athletes do.

His complaints about wages while being injured also make complete sense now. He was forgetting that the rest of his usual salary was related to performance based bonuses which he hadn't been receiving. So injury, frustration and the hit to his pocket would lead to dissatisfaction, and having seen Walker move (i believe they share or shared an agent?) and hearing about the money he was now on, plus the chance of titles, would go round and round in his head and come out as The Sun interview (which was still incredibly badly-timed!), depression and general frustration.

Hopefully the club helped him at the time, and helped to smooth it over after that interview, and hopefully he has a good World Cup, comes back fresh and focused for next season with Spurs.