Player watch: Danny Rose

[cliff jones]

It's surely neither.

Players have to be offered a contract of a determinate length rather than being given permanent employment. The directors may have in mind to sell the player before the end of it to recoup some of the investment but - as with the initial contract negotiations - such a course of action needs to be agreed by both parties. If the player doesn't want to go, that isn't directorial mismanagement; it's just a contingency plan not coming to fruition because of circumstances beyond the directors' control.

There are two choices for directors when signing a player: a shorter or longer term contract. Both have potential risks and rewards. Levy has usually got this right. It is unfortunate for him that at this time several players - from all of whom the club has undeniably received its money's worth - have decided at the same time to see out their contracts and, by doing so, not allow the club to cash in.

it's not "unfortunate". While he's been largely powerless to stop the problem, he could have alleviated it by investing more in the past two years in competition for the places of those who are simply exercising their right. We needed another AM, and a ball playing CB. The FBs are a slightly different problem, but with the same solution.

But, in spite of whispers leaking from one side or the other, it's impossible for us to determine whether the lack of investment and competition is down to Levy, Poch or both. The only thing we do know is who will end up carrying the can.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Rose has actually -

Has he?

This was in the standard yesterday I think, (Danny Rose)

"When the manager stops calling me into his office, stops giving me advice, that's when I'll think it's time to leave Tottenham," added Rose, who has previously said he wants to return to the north of England before retiring from football.

"But until then, I'm not going anywhere. I'm lucky to have a manager at Tottenham who, from the first day we met, has always stuck by me, regardless of anything, regardless of the rubbish in the media about me being sold or not part of his plans — all that nonsense."

That doesn't sound to me like he's getting mixed messages from the manager. If anything, quite the opposite. Now how the club are going about stuff is another matter (and in this case I think it adds weight to what I'm saying about the club dealing with players who have shortening contracts poorly, you need to read it all)

Happy to have a cup of tea and a cucumber sandwich with you though

 

[sausage]

Has he?

This was in the standard yesterday I think, (Danny Rose)

"When the manager stops calling me into his office, stops giving me advice, that's when I'll think it's time to leave Tottenham," added Rose, who has previously said he wants to return to the north of England before retiring from football.

"But until then, I'm not going anywhere. I'm lucky to have a manager at Tottenham who, from the first day we met, has always stuck by me, regardless of anything, regardless of the rubbish in the media about me being sold or not part of his plans — all that nonsense."

That doesn't sound to me like he's getting mixed messages from the manager. If anything, quite the opposite. Now how the club are going about stuff is another matter (and in this case I think it adds weight to what I'm saying about the club dealing with players who have shortening contracts poorly, you need to read it all)

Happy to have a cup of tea and a cucumber sandwich with you though

I think it's mixed messages if Poch does that and wants him gone, is what I mean.

I can't see that DL would flog off Rose if he was a key player to Poch (or even if Poch wanted to keep him).

I'm willing to bet that Wanyama has said similar, as Trippier did too - all this while Poch talks openly about wanting to move players on.

Basically, there's something fishy about it all, as there are some contradictions

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

In isolation I think you have a point. If a player doesn't want to leave then the club have to honour their contract whether they want to or not, and that's fair enough.

But in the context of him slagging off the club and saying he wanted to go "up north" and earn more money etc. and then once he realises that nobody was that interested in him and he can't get a better offer all of a sudden it's him back in the papers again mouthing off about how harshly he's being treated and us trying to force him out etc. That's what pisses me off.

He’s a grade A bellend it’s pretty easy to tell.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I think it's mixed messages if Poch does that and wants him gone, is what I mean.

I can't see that DL would flog off Rose if he was a key player to Poch (or even if Poch wanted to keep him).

I'm willing to bet that Wanyama has said similar, as Trippier did too - all this while Poch talks openly about wanting to move players on.

Basically, there's something fishy about it all, as there are some contradictions

And I think that's a lot of guesswork in the face of direct quotes. As you say IF Poch does that. In the current climate that's an easy accusation or assumption to make. Pretty much all the anecdotal evidence we've had over the years would suggest he's not like that.

As for Levy selling Rose.........It looks to me like Levy has been caught with his pants down with regard several players and their contracts so this business with Rose is a result of him 'learning his lesson' once again (which he ought to have fucking learned from Sol Campbell which I don't entirely blame him for but the experience alone was warning enough).

We're all guessing to a huge degree but in this instance I'm pretty happy to assume that the three players we've discussed here are not wantaways due to Pochettino, not with the stuff we've had directly from Eriksen about always wanting to play for one of the Spanish giants or the contract stuff about Toby we've had or even this latest thing with Rose, none of that for me points to Pochettino. At all.

Players moving is a fact of life for footballers, they pretty much take it in their stride no matter who wants them out the door and I cannot believe for one minute we managed to sign several of the most precious footballers to ever live, all at the same time or that the manager is giving them mixed messages, they all know the score.

Anyway, I guess we'll just see things how we want so lets see what happens in January, if anything.

 

[Larryfromthelane]

It's nothing like Sol. Sol lied to the club for a year and then stitched us up. Rose is being honest about his intentions.



I kind of agree, but then the club also went public to say that he'd been left out of the pre season tour “to explore prospective opportunities with other clubs”. The implication there was that he wanted to leave. And he's probably been been getting stick because of it. - it's certainly been mentioned on here a few times. Why isn't he allowed to set the record straight? If the club don't want him talking to the media about his future plans then surely they should keep quiet about it as well?

Honest about his intentions to stitch us up

 

[Larryfromthelane]

I think it's mixed messages if Poch does that and wants him gone, is what I mean.

I can't see that DL would flog off Rose if he was a key player to Poch (or even if Poch wanted to keep him).

I'm willing to bet that Wanyama has said similar, as Trippier did too - all this while Poch talks openly about wanting to move players on.

Basically, there's something fishy about it all, as there are some contradictions

Wanyama, Eriksen, Toby, Jan, Rose - they are all running down their contracts before, presumably, moving to China with Moussa. Thats an insurrection against the club. I know Levy is a divisive figure, but essentially its these players against the club, I back the club 100%

 

[Legacy]

We're all guessing to a huge degree but in this instance I'm pretty happy to assume that the three players we've discussed here are not wantaways due to Pochettino, not with the stuff we've had directly from Eriksen about always wanting to play for one of the Spanish giants or the contract stuff about Toby we've had or even this latest thing with Rose, none of that for me points to Pochettino. At all.

Wasn't one of the ITKs (JJetset?) absolutely adamant that Pochettino would walk if Alderweireld signed a new contract, even after Toby had gotten back into the team? And didn't we also have ITK that said Pochettino saw Sessegnon as a left back? Given that Davies signed a new contract and we signed a new player to play there too, it would suggest to me that Rose actually wasn't wanted by Pochettino.

Obviously guesswork, but trusted ITK points that way.

 

[sausage]

Wanyama, Eriksen, Toby, Jan, Rose - they are all running down their contracts before, presumably, moving to China with Moussa. Thats an insurrection against the club. I know Levy is a divisive figure, but essentially its these players against the club, I back the club 100%

There are different scenarios on the go there but, aside from Eriksen, it does seem like they want to be paid more than anyone is willing to offer them. Vic is crocked, so that's pointless, Toby's apparently rejected our improved contracts, Jan is in the Vorm contract territory, and DR seems to have chucked away his long service by speaking out of turn too many times.

It does feel a bit like they are the purge that needs to happen now.

 

[nailsy]

Honest about his intentions to stitch us up

You don't think trying to sell a player that wants to move up north to Watford is stitching them up?

People are going on like he's a £20m signing that's pissing off after four years. He cost a million quid and we've had over ten years out of him. I don't think we can really complain about not getting our money's worth.

 

[mil1lion]

I'm sure he just wants the freedom to move in 18 months rather than wait for someone to agree a fee with Levy. I can't be unhappy with a player who honours the length of the contract they signed. It's actually very rare.

 

[RichieS]

Wanyama, Eriksen, Toby, Jan, Rose - they are all running down their contracts before, presumably, moving to China with Moussa. Thats an insurrection against the club. I know Levy is a divisive figure, but essentially its these players against the club, I back the club 100%

Are they? Of those 5 the only ones we know have turned down new contracts are Eriksen and Alderweireld.

 

[sausage]

Are they? Of those 5 the only ones we know have turned down new contracts are Eriksen and Alderweireld.

I think the scenario is that the others have rejected moves because they want to run their contracts down - the refusal to let the club gain a fee is the insurrection from what I inferred.

 

[Shadydan]

I do have admiration for when players like Rose speak out but ultimately I don't think it's a very clever thing to do, in this instance he says he's gonna run his contract down which is fine but signalling your intentions to everyone is never a good thing. Levy could easily instruct Poch not to pick him to try and force him out of the club (and why should he when he's in this type of form) if you have any designs of continuing a professional career after Spurs then you need to be match fit and in some kind of form for his next team, if he's sitting on his arse for an extended period then no top teams will want to touch him or pay him what he wants, has Danny really thought this through?

 

[Zummerzet Spur]

Rose has had a bee in his bonnet ever since his mate Walker got his big money move and he didn’t

Nail and head - exactly what I was thinking reading through this thread having been offline for a few days.

He’s had a massive chip on his shoulder ever since Walker got his glory move and this was what prompted his previous outburst in the press.

Poch needs to tell him that this kind of thing isn’t professional and doesn’t help the club. Promptly followed by it would be best for all parties if you move on in January.

 

[SugarRay]

I hear Jose mourhino is known for his great squad harmony, with players always giving everything got him
He'll have them all on new deals and smashing Liverpool at anfield within a year

Jose’s issue would be if he can’t bring the players in he wants. He motivates players more than any other manager out there, providing they are the right players of course!

Rose is a douche and always has been. Was a quality player but got too much to say for himself. White noise now

 

[SamR]

I don't think we can have it both ways as supporters.

We call for players to be sold in contract and want them out. Club and player agree to the terms - can't really blame the player(s) for looking after their own interests.

He is out of form but usually puts in a shift when fit.

 

[worcestersauce]

Danny Rose is not going to sign for a club that he doesn't want to and he'd rather stay until his contract is finished which is fair enough but if a club comes in for him and we are happy to deal and it suits him he'll sign for them, he's not going to tell them to bugger off because he wants to run down his contract.

 

[mil1lion]

I do have admiration for when players like Rose speak out but ultimately I don't think it's a very clever thing to do, in this instance he says he's gonna run his contract down which is fine but signalling your intentions to everyone is never a good thing. Levy could easily instruct Poch not to pick him to try and force him out of the club (and why should he when he's in this type of form) if you have any designs of continuing a professional career after Spurs then you need to be match fit and in some kind of form for his next team, if he's sitting on his arse for an extended period then no top teams will want to touch him or pay him what he wants, has Danny really thought this through?

Rose has never struck me as someone who wont try hard so I dont see that as an issue. If anything at least it gives us plenty of time to phase him out. I'm not too fussed anyway, he's far from his old self now and will even less so in 18 months. I always thought Sess was seen as the long term answer to Rose. Even though he plays further forward I think the need for more advanced fullbacks will make him a natural fit for the role. Rose just isn't the athlete he was before his injuries so just can't get up and down like he used too. We long for the days of another Rose and Walker of a few years ago, albeit ideally with better delivery.

 

[Shadydan]

Rose has never struck me as someone who wont try hard so I dont see that as an issue. If anything at least it gives us plenty of time to phase him out. I'm not too fussed anyway, he's far from his old self now and will even less so in 18 months. I always thought Sess was seen as the long term answer to Rose. Even though he plays further forward I think the need for more advanced fullbacks will make him a natural fit for the role. Rose just isn't the athlete he was before his injuries so just can't get up and down like he used too. We long for the days of another Rose and Walker of a few years ago, albeit ideally with better delivery.

Really? There was times under Sherwood when he just didn't bother to get back and defend.

I think he's likely to play up for Poch because of the huge respect he has for him but if he goes I can't say he'll keep the same energy.