Player watch: Christian Eriksen

[wrd]

That's more like it, cheers Phil

 

[Japhet]

So unique that we also had Alderweireld and Vertonghen on expiring contracts and Rose publically telling everyone he won’t sign another one as well. Funny how that doesn’t happen to everyone else isn’t it? I’m not a Levy hater by any means but he stuffed up royally between summer 2018 and 2019. Eriksen is just one part of that but people act like he’s the one responsible for the team’s decline

Eriksen had made his mind up to go. I'm not sure Vertonghen will be offered a new deal and Rose almost certainly won't and I'm not aware of any teams showing interest in them where their earnings would have been maintained. Alderweireld's future was supposedly tied in with whether Poch would still be around and was settled as soon as that scenario played out. Toby could have gone for 25m but nobody bit on that one. I don't see what else Levy was meant to do. With hindsight, sure, he could probably have sold Eriksen for a king's ransom 2 years ago but I'm fairly sure the fallout from that would have been very unpleasant. I think he's done extremely well to squeeze 17m out of Eriksen when it was looking increasingly likely we'd get nothing at all.

 

[Thenewcat]

Unfortunately all those issues happened at the same time, obviously Levy has to take some responsibility simply because he's the boss but I can understand how the Eriksen and Jan situation arose. We may have learnt that we dont have a choice in the future if we receive a big offer other than to sell if they don't sign a new deal right away. We will see but this is the first time this situation has happened under Levy and other clubs have faced similar recently so all we can do is hope we learn. What's done is done.

Agree that what’s done is done and I’m sure levy won’t let the same happen again. But other clubs have not faced similar recently - I can think of one example from the other top 6 sides in recent years (Ramsay) whereas we had 3 at once. That’s incompetence

 

[wrd]

Agree that what’s done is done and I’m sure levy won’t let the same happen again. But other clubs have not faced similar recently - I can think of one example from the other top 6 sides in recent years (Ramsay) whereas we had 3 at once. That’s incompetence

Arsenal had Sanchez, Ramsey, Ozil and Oxlade Chamberlain all were sorted in different ways.
United had the De Gea situation, Martial, Rashford got all 3 to sign new deals but paid silly amounts.
Chelsea did well to get 100 mill from Hazard as he hit 12 months

 

[Havre]

Not sure if I get the point. Both Rose and Vertonghen have said the want to stay - so why is Levy to blame for them not signing new contracts if we are not offering?

Alderweireld signed and I guess that was more down to Pochettino gone than Levy.

It leaves Eriksen. Not sure if I see how Levy could have made any difference.

Eriksen just confirming he couldn't get himself going after the CL final. Rather weak if you ask me, but obviously doesn't help having a manager that sulks and feels sorry for himself after that loss as well. Not meant as a speech defending Levy, but Eriksen, Pochettino and probably others let themselves and the club down. Sad when it happens to people you really like, but quite happy with both of them gone.

 

[dontcallme]

He actually didn't say anything about not being able to win things at Spurs, just your standard, "I'm here to win things."

"I'm here to win and start something new. The last time I won something was at Ajax so it's many years ago. I still remember the feeling so I want to achieve it here as well."

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

He actually didn't say anything about not being able to win things at Spurs, just your standard, "I'm here to win things."

"I'm here to win and start something new. The last time I won something was at Ajax so it's many years ago. I still remember the feeling so I want to achieve it here as well."

He did also mention that he is more likely to win trophies with Inter than with us, which to be fair isn't a lie as there are only 2-3 really good teams in Serie A and there is a good 10-15 in the PL.

 

[dontcallme]

He did also mention that he is more likely to win trophies with Inter than with us, which to be fair isn't a lie as there are only 2-3 really good teams in Serie A and there is a good 10-15 in the PL.

Just saw the quote ""There's a big chance of winning a trophy here or a bigger chance than where I was of course." I missed that bit the first time.

It is not an unreasonable thing to say and hardly disrespectful to us.

 

[wrd]

Just saw the quote ""There's a big chance of winning a trophy here or a bigger chance than where I was of course." I missed that bit the first time.

It is not an unreasonable thing to say and hardly disrespectful to us.

I just think it hurts when you see him say he hasn't won a trophy since Ajax knowing we should have been more successful, he's telling the truth but it still bruises a little for me.

 

[Thenewcat]

Arsenal had Sanchez, Ramsey, Ozil and Oxlade Chamberlain all were sorted in different ways.
United had the De Gea situation, Martial, Rashford got all 3 to sign new deals but paid silly amounts.
Chelsea did well to get 100 mill from Hazard as he hit 12 months

None of those are remotely the same. Arsenal were underperforming and still got money/assets for Sanchez and Ox - Ozil is a completely different situation as they couldn’t give him away. Man U didn’t lose anyone, and Chelsea got £100m. And none of these were at the same time. You just can’t allow 3/4 of your first team to be in that position at the same time

 

[McFlash]

None of those are remotely the same. Arsenal were underperforming and still got money/assets for Sanchez and Ox - Ozil is a completely different situation as they couldn’t give him away. Man U didn’t lose anyone, and Chelsea got £100m. And none of these were at the same time. You just can’t allow 3/4 of your first team to be in that position at the same time

I honestly think that this is the way football is heading. Prices are too high and if the clubs cant sell, or don't want to offer a player an extended deal, then what's going to happen?
I don't think there's anyone to blame, it's just the way things are. We'll probably see a lot more of it.
Southampton have just done very well to get 5m for a player in the same situation as Eriksen. Said he wasnt going to sign a new contract.
We're not the only ones.

 

[Thenewcat]

I honestly think that this is the way football is heading. Prices are too high and if the clubs cant sell, or don't want to offer a player an extended deal, then what's going to happen?
I don't think there's anyone to blame, it's just the way things are. We'll probably see a lot more of it.
Southampton have just done very well to get 5m for a player in the same situation as Eriksen. Said he wasnt going to sign a new contract.
We're not the only ones.

Agree it might become the new normal, but for now we are the only big club who have let it happen to so many players at once. You might think that’s bad luck, I think it was poor management of the squad

 

[nailsy]

Agree that what’s done is done and I’m sure levy won’t let the same happen again. But other clubs have not faced similar recently - I can think of one example from the other top 6 sides in recent years (Ramsay) whereas we had 3 at once. That’s incompetence

OK, so rewind a year. The manager says he'll leave if Toby is offered a new contract. Do you offer him one? Jan wants a new contract, but he'll be 33 at the end of his current one which is when players often start to go downhill. Do you offer him one?

As for other sides Chelsea have got three coming up this year - Pedro, Willian and Giroud. PSG have got Meunier, Carvani and Kurzawa. City let Kompany (33) and Mangala (28) leave at the end of their contracts last year. It happens.

 

[Thenewcat]

OK, so rewind a year. The manager says he'll leave if Toby is offered a new contract. Do you offer him one? Jan wants a new contract, but he'll be 33 at the end of his current one which is when players often start to go downhill. Do you offer him one?

As for other sides Chelsea have got three coming up this year - Pedro, Willian and Giroud. PSG have got Meunier, Carvani and Kurzawa. City let Kompany (33) and Mangala (28) leave at the end of their contracts last year. It happens.

You make a good point as its fair to say it’s going to happen more often. But as I’ve said before, this is 3 of our most important players. Kompany was washed up/couldn’t stay fit but is a reasonable comparison to Vertonghen, but Mangala was a complete failure so not the same at all. That would be like us lamenting Wanyama getting to the end of his deal (sorry Victor, you were great before the knee injury). Giroud is a lightly used sub, Pedro has played 6 games this year. PSG can donwhatever as they have the money to just go and buy a new squad. This was a huge part of our core

 

[sausage]

Just saw the quote ""There's a big chance of winning a trophy here or a bigger chance than where I was of course." I missed that bit the first time.

It is not an unreasonable thing to say and hardly disrespectful to us.

He played quite badly in two finals for us, so what he's saying is a bit rich.

Part of the reason we almost didn't get to the final was him (VAR back pass) and he had an absent performance in the final, so he's passing the buck. It's disrespectful to the team imo

 

[Spurrific]

I just think it hurts when you see him say he hasn't won a trophy since Ajax knowing we should have been more successful, he's telling the truth but it still bruises a little for me.

Inter haven't won a trophy since he left Ajax to be fair

 

[dontcallme]

He played quite badly in two finals for us, so what he's saying is a bit rich.

Part of the reason we almost didn't get to the final was him (VAR back pass) and he had an absent performance in the final, so he's passing the buck. It's disrespectful to the team imo

So because a player is underperforming his, correct, view that he has a higher chance of winning a trophy at his new club is incorrect?

#ridiculouslogic

 

[wrd]

Inter haven't won a trophy since he left Ajax to be fair

Well I'd be lying if I said i wouldn't love it if we get one before he does similar to Liverpool with Coutinho after he said he wants to win the Champions League

 

[McFlash]

You make a good point as its fair to say it’s going to happen more often. But as I’ve said before, this is 3 of our most important players. Kompany was washed up/couldn’t stay fit but is a reasonable comparison to Vertonghen, but Mangala was a complete failure so not the same at all. That would be like us lamenting Wanyama getting to the end of his deal (sorry Victor, you were great before the knee injury). Giroud is a lightly used sub, Pedro has played 6 games this year. PSG can donwhatever as they have the money to just go and buy a new squad. This was a huge part of our core

Eriksen yes, Rose and Verts, not so much imo.
Nobody has shown any interest in Verts, so what are we supposed to do?
It's not uncommon for older players in a team to run their contract down and then either retire, or head to a lower level. I'm more than happy for Jan, after the service he's given, to run his contract down and leave on a free.
Rose was brilliant a couple of years ago but now, he's in danger of becoming 'damaged goods'.
We can't expect to sell everyone, especially as they get older.

 

[sausage]

So because a player is underperforming his, correct, view that he has a higher chance of winning a trophy at his new club is incorrect?

#ridiculouslogic

No, it's disrespectful. How did you lose track of the point so quickly?

He was part of the reason. It's like moving home because you don't want shit on the kitchen floor, and it was you who curled it out