Player Watch Player Watch: Brennan Johnson

[BigVic]

I think we'd get 25-30 from forest for him. It'd be a start of a fund for summer

I don't think they would take him back, their wingers are much better.

 

[isaac94]

Wonder if it's worth putting a call into forest to see if they have any interest in taking him back, he could do very well again in nunos system.
We could get a decent chunk of our cash back and use that as start of fund for the summer

He is nowhere near the level of hudson odoi or elanga, so will just be a bench player agan

 

[Buster18]

To me this represents the core of the Ange in or out debate. Basically you either see it as we are a really attacking team, that creates so many potentially good attacking situations, that is badly let down by the quality of it's wide forwards, as they should be scoring 20 goals each and double figure assists. Or the way Ange wants to play is the problem, as it makes us too vulnerable. Personally I don't think we should judge Ange without seeing his team with top quality wide forwards, as I'm in the camp that thinks Johnson and Werner are nowhere near good enough and the fact Johnson has scored 7 says to me that a Salah or prime Sonny would already be on 15 in this set up.

We play a very high risk game and key to making it work is for our forwards to do more damage, with the favourable oppotunites they get due to our style, than the opposition do to us given how risky continually playing out is. Johnson and Werner can't beat players so are useless when we dominate the ball and teams sit back and though both are fast, don't have the finishing or crossing skill to take advantage of the speed of our transitions. So despite scoring alot of goals this season, we actually don't score anywhere near as many as our system should. Hence teams do more damage to us, than we do to them. So it's either sack Ange or buy better wide options.

Do we create loads of attacking chances? We didn’t last night and we also really struggle against teams that defend deep, which is mainly down to the fact our right winger has the creative ability of Tony Adams.

 

[keithtighe93]

We should be looking to sell in the summer when his stock is still relatively high to other teams.

 

[mil1lion]

As poor as his overall involvement is he is not a winger. He's inside wide attacker who needs someone overlapping him. Same can be said for Kulusevski though which leaves us with a big issue on the right. Keep Porro or ideally soon Spence wide right and we get the best out of either of them. Same for Son on the left who isn't looking any better to be fair. He needs to be inside more often. The inverted fullbacks are not helping and I'm a critic of Johnson for his lack of contribution.

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

As poor as his overall involvement is he is not a winger. He's inside wide attacker who needs someone overlapping him. Same can be said for Kulusevski though which leaves us with a big issue on the right. Keep Porro or ideally soon Spence wide right and we get the best out of either of them. Same for Son on the left who isn't looking any better to be fair. He needs to be inside more often. The inverted fullbacks are not helping and I'm a critic of Johnson for his lack of contribution.

The problem is you cannot play 2 of Son, Werner and Johnson in the same attack.

Wide, inside forward etc it really doesn’t matter. If you load your attack with 2 players that limited in possession and in creativity, you essentially void any chance of being a possession based team and even limit your creativity and ball retention if you try and play counter attack.

 

[Pochemon94]

We should be looking to sell in the summer when his stock is still relatively high to other teams.

shit maybe forrest will want him back for their champions league run next year

 

[mil1lion]

The problem is you cannot play 2 of Son, Werner and Johnson in the same attack.

Wide, inside forward etc it really doesn’t matter. If you load your attack with 2 players that limited in possession and in creativity, you essentially void any chance of being a possession based team and even limit your creativity and ball retention if you try and play counter attack.

Depends on the midfield but sure it's an issue either way if the wide players aren't good enough. I still prefer Kulusevski in from the right similar to using Eriksen infield. Odobert and Moore are the ideal counter balance on the other side for me. Son to an extent. The issue with Johnson is we don't really have that type of player on the left. It's possible to do but you need 3 in midfield who will control the game. To be fair we've signed Odobert and Yang who are prospects at carrying the ball but they're just so raw for now. Personally I would take Grealish if we could on loan.

 

[robhumphreys]

Not only is he totally shite going forward but he's a complete liability in defence. Never tracks his player and is frankly frightened of getting hurt. I know he scored a few tap ins but with him and Son its like we are playing with 9 men. If someone offered us 25 million now I'd sell him even if we didn't have a replacement. He's doing fuck all anyway. We would be better off playing Porro there and Spence at full back

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

The other thing with Johnson is he can’t score goals out of nothing. He requires service so he can score tap ins or gamble in the box etc. Again just like a poacher striker, except he’s out wide and meant to be creating for the team too.

All the good wide players in this league, they can score goals out of nothing. They don’t have to have service.

Just limits us so much as a team, it’s really no wonder we are 14th. We could get away with having a player like this if they were a 4th choice wide player. As its stands, he is our only viable option at RW because Deki is clearly better centrally.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

He is nowhere near the level of hudson odoi or elanga, so will just be a bench player agan

This is the killer for me.

We signed him for the twice the price of those two combined - and they’re both better than him.

Dreadful scouting

 

[coy-spurs1882]

The other thing with Johnson is he can’t score goals out of nothing. He requires service so he can score tap ins or gamble in the box etc. Again just like a poacher striker, except he’s out wide and meant to be creating for the team too.

All the good wide players in this league, they can score goals out of nothing. They don’t have to have service.

Just limits us so much as a team, it’s really no wonder we are 14th. We could get away with having a player like this if they were a 4th choice wide player. As its stands, he is our only viable option at RW because Deki is clearly better centrally.

I would say we have the worst 3 wide players in the league atm - Son, Werner and Johnson. I would happily bring Solomon back if we can, or just use Moore and Yang instead of these 3

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

I would say we have the worst 3 wide players in the league atm - Son, Werner and Johnson. I would happily bring Solomon back if we can, or just use Moore and Yang instead of these 3

You’re not wrong. Depressing.

 

[DiVaio]

I would say we have the worst 3 wide players in the league atm - Son, Werner and Johnson. I would happily bring Solomon back if we can, or just use Moore and Yang instead of these 3

Ange Postecoglou is the greatest manager in the world if that's the case then as Spurs have scored 2nd most goals in the league with 3 worst wide players in the league while all 3 of them are averaging goal involment in every other game.

 

[rossdapep]

The problem is you cannot play 2 of Son, Werner and Johnson in the same attack.

Wide, inside forward etc it really doesn’t matter. If you load your attack with 2 players that limited in possession and in creativity, you essentially void any chance of being a possession based team and even limit your creativity and ball retention if you try and play counter attack.

Exactly. Neither of them can take defenders out of phases of play. They can't disrupt a defensive organisation from static positions or when the defensive gets behind the ball.

At least one of your wingers needs to be able to stretch the defence or cause a FB to commit an error.

It's the number 1 reason we struggle against compact defences.

Sonny also receives the ball in areas he can't do much with it as he lacks ball control under contact from a defender.

It was quite alarming to me when we played Forest. Hudson-Odoi and Elanga were stretching us, facing our FBs up but could also switch play to the other side.

I am seriously irritated that we have still done FUCK ALL about this.

 

[Shanks]

Exactly. Neither of them can take defenders out of phases of play. They can't disrupt a defensive organisation from static positions or when the defensive gets behind the ball.

At least one of your wingers needs to be able to stretch the defence or cause a FB to commit an error.

It's the number 1 reason we struggle against compact defences.

Sonny also receives the ball in areas he can't do much with it as he lacks ball control under contact from a defender.

It was quite alarming to me when we played Forest. Hudson-Odoi and Elanga were stretching us, facing our FBs up but could also switch play to the other side.

I am seriously irritated that we have still done FUCK ALL about this.

You could argue that Werner does this, as he is the only one who runs past the defenders as he has pace to burn, but yeah get the point.

 

[Buster18]

Ange Postecoglou is the greatest manager in the world if that's the case then as Spurs have scored 2nd most goals in the league with 3 worst wide players in the league while all 3 of them are averaging goal involment in every other game.

We’re 14th

 

[Stamford]

We’re 14th

Only stat i care about quite frankly

 

[faze_coys]

Only stat i care about quite frankly

It’s the only one that matters!

 

[Scot-Spur]

Going by the Matt Law article? Some senior players are letting Ange down. My mind jumps straight to Maddison, Johnson, Werner and Bissouma. Potentially Son but Ange loves him.