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spursville

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Let's get things in perspective in terms of ability and potential. Johnson's OK but Anthony Gordon was cheaper!
 

Gilzeanking

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Genuinely baffled that some people can't see how good he is and how good he can be. Think he's a class act and only going to get better.
I think, when looking at our forwards' high assist/goal tallies and then comparing to last season or other teams, it's important to remember these figures have been achieved in a team totally dedicated to attack.

When half your team plays in the oppo half....goals/assists will accrue at an inflated rate in comparison to say, Conte's Spurs with the counter attack system.
 

Finchyid

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I think, when looking at our forwards' high assist/goal tallies and then comparing to last season or other teams, it's important to remember these figures have been achieved in a team totally dedicated to attack.

When half your team plays in the oppo half....goals/assists will accrue at an inflated rate in comparison to say, Conte's Spurs with the counter attack system.
You could also argue that having a world class striker vs no striker for half a season would impact the comparison
 

spurs9

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Let's get things in perspective in terms of ability and potential. Johnson's OK but Anthony Gordon was cheaper!
Johnson has played 2091 league mins scoring 5 and assisting 10. In Gordon's first 2100 league mins for Newcastle, he scored 7, assisted 5.

If Gordon hadn't scored or assisted, Newcastle end up 8 points fewer. If Johnson hadn't scored or assisted, we end up with 16 points fewer.

There was a difference of 2.5m in transfer fees.
 

jolsnogross

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Johnson has played 2091 league mins scoring 5 and assisting 10. In Gordon's first 2100 league mins for Newcastle, he scored 7, assisted 5.

If Gordon hadn't scored or assisted, Newcastle end up 8 points fewer. If Johnson hadn't scored or assisted, we end up with 16 points fewer.

There was a difference of 2.5m in transfer fees.
If this is true, and I have no reason to doubt you, then this is a very favourable comparison for Johnson. It also advances the theme that statistics only get you part of the way and there's sometimes more, and other times less, in those numbers compared to watching games. When I've watched Newcastle, I've been quite impressed with Gordon and didn't think he was the type of player at Everton that he's become at Newcastle. He's involved in a lot of clutch moments for Newcastle - wins penalties, scores, assists, pressures fullbacks, runs inside and outside, doesn't shy away from contact or tight spaces. I'm a big Johnson defender on here and think he's gotten a rough judgement from this audience so far, but he doesn't seem as vibrant or influential as Gordon when watching how games unfold. There's plenty to suggest the penny will drop soon, though, and that he'll be a top performer if/when that happens.
 

Finchyid

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Johnson has played 2091 league mins scoring 5 and assisting 10. In Gordon's first 2100 league mins for Newcastle, he scored 7, assisted 5.

If Gordon hadn't scored or assisted, Newcastle end up 8 points fewer. If Johnson hadn't scored or assisted, we end up with 16 points fewer.

There was a difference of 2.5m in transfer fees.
And Gordon was having the best season ever according to pundits
 

TPdYID

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Johnson has played 2091 league mins scoring 5 and assisting 10. In Gordon's first 2100 league mins for Newcastle, he scored 7, assisted 5.

If Gordon hadn't scored or assisted, Newcastle end up 8 points fewer. If Johnson hadn't scored or assisted, we end up with 16 points fewer.

There was a difference of 2.5m in transfer fees.
Drops Mic!
 

Ron Burgundy

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If this is true, and I have no reason to doubt you, then this is a very favourable comparison for Johnson. It also advances the theme that statistics only get you part of the way and there's sometimes more, and other times less, in those numbers compared to watching games. When I've watched Newcastle, I've been quite impressed with Gordon and didn't think he was the type of player at Everton that he's become at Newcastle. He's involved in a lot of clutch moments for Newcastle - wins penalties, scores, assists, pressures fullbacks, runs inside and outside, doesn't shy away from contact or tight spaces. I'm a big Johnson defender on here and think he's gotten a rough judgement from this audience so far, but he doesn't seem as vibrant or influential as Gordon when watching how games unfold. There's plenty to suggest the penny will drop soon, though, and that he'll be a top performer if/when that happens.
I think Gordon's all round play is better than Johnson's. Johnson has added some really important elements to our season.

Both good players. Gordon threatens more and beats players much more consistently.

If Johnson can add to his general play, he'll be brilliant. But he still has someone way to go.
 

spursville

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Johnson has played 2091 league mins scoring 5 and assisting 10. In Gordon's first 2100 league mins for Newcastle, he scored 7, assisted 5.

If Gordon hadn't scored or assisted, Newcastle end up 8 points fewer. If Johnson hadn't scored or assisted, we end up with 16 points fewer.

There was a difference of 2.5m in transfer fees.
Great. Hand on heart, which player do you think is better?
 

spursfan77

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If this is true, and I have no reason to doubt you, then this is a very favourable comparison for Johnson. It also advances the theme that statistics only get you part of the way and there's sometimes more, and other times less, in those numbers compared to watching games. When I've watched Newcastle, I've been quite impressed with Gordon and didn't think he was the type of player at Everton that he's become at Newcastle. He's involved in a lot of clutch moments for Newcastle - wins penalties, scores, assists, pressures fullbacks, runs inside and outside, doesn't shy away from contact or tight spaces. I'm a big Johnson defender on here and think he's gotten a rough judgement from this audience so far, but he doesn't seem as vibrant or influential as Gordon when watching how games unfold. There's plenty to suggest the penny will drop soon, though, and that he'll be a top performer if/when that happens.

Hardly anyone on here wanted us to sign Gordon when he was linked. I was in the get him camp. We should have done it.
 

Romulus

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Johnson has played 2091 league mins scoring 5 and assisting 10. In Gordon's first 2100 league mins for Newcastle, he scored 7, assisted 5.

If Gordon hadn't scored or assisted, Newcastle end up 8 points fewer. If Johnson hadn't scored or assisted, we end up with 16 points fewer.

There was a difference of 2.5m in transfer fees.
Fantastic post mate... absolute facts.
 

talkshowhost86

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As it seems that we won't be signing a striker this window, does anyone see Johnson having some time up front this season?

I know he seems to fit the mould of a wide player more, but just wondering if Ange has considered him through the middle at all.
 

Shanks

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As it seems that we won't be signing a striker this window, does anyone see Johnson having some time up front this season?

I know he seems to fit the mould of a wide player more, but just wondering if Ange has considered him through the middle at all.
Not for me. Be good for tap ins, but overall pretty average in his favoured position let alone as a striker!

Too lightweight, no idea if he can head or hold up the ball either.
 

talkshowhost86

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Not for me. Be good for tap ins, but overall pretty average in his favoured position let alone as a striker!

Too lightweight, no idea if he can head or hold up the ball either.
Definitely agree about his strength and heading ability.

But with the apparent wingers we are looking at I'm not sure we're going to be looking for a target man as such.

It's something I'd like to see us try certainly.

I think we've got a real talent in Johnson but need to work out how to get the best out of him.
 

Bluto Blutarsky

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As it seems that we won't be signing a striker this window, does anyone see Johnson having some time up front this season?

I know he seems to fit the mould of a wide player more, but just wondering if Ange has considered him through the middle at all.

Honestly - can't really see it with Son and Richarlison already in front of him, and Kulusevski with a little experience.

I also think Johnson is a good RW for us, and I think we see an even better version this year.
 

spurs mental

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Honestly - can't really see it with Son and Richarlison already in front of him, and Kulusevski with a little experience.

I also think Johnson is a good RW for us, and I think we see an even better version this year.
Agree with this, he showed more aggression and desire in the last few months that really changed my opinion of him. If he can build on that he'll be great.
 

Shanks

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Definitely agree about his strength and heading ability.

But with the apparent wingers we are looking at I'm not sure we're going to be looking for a target man as such.

It's something I'd like to see us try certainly.

I think we've got a real talent in Johnson but need to work out how to get the best out of him.
I just don't see this talent (at thr very highest level) I'm afraid, not sure why as I k ow lots really rate him, I just don't get it.

He is young and hopefully he flourishes, but I just can't see it.. Still.
 

Cochraam

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As it seems that we won't be signing a striker this window, does anyone see Johnson having some time up front this season?

I know he seems to fit the mould of a wide player more, but just wondering if Ange has considered him through the middle at all.

Honestly - can't really see it with Son and Richarlison already in front of him, and Kulusevski with a little experience.

I also think Johnson is a good RW for us, and I think we see an even better version this year.
I keep thinking we'll see Werner backing up Richy more than people expect, and I definitely would expect Werner to play there more than Johnson considering Werner has played as a CF a lot in his career. Of course, the downside of playing Werner there is it really accentuates the thing that he is worst at - finishing - so maybe I'm wrong on that.
 
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