- Oct 19, 2005
- 15,472
- 59,303
Oh, are we judging all players development against the very few who step up early now?same age as Archie Grey
Seriously, how many Archie Gray's have you seen in your lifetime?
Not that many, I reckon.
Oh, are we judging all players development against the very few who step up early now?same age as Archie Grey
Oh, are we judging all players development against the very few who step up early now?
Seriously, how many Archie Gray's have you seen in your lifetime?
Not that many, I reckon.
Maybe you should have used more than 5 words then because going by the conversation at the time, it was rather easy to make such assumptions.my, aren't we a touchy lot ? 5 words, yet all the above assumptions are read into it
we may see them playing side by side sometime in the future which I look forward to and yeah, there may be more Archie Greys around, it is a fairly common name I guess, but I've only come across 1
Harry Kane wasnt doing much until his early 20's. its not a linear pathOh, are we judging all players development against the very few who step up early now?
Seriously, how many Archie Gray's have you seen in your lifetime?
Not that many, I reckon.
What exactly were you meaning then?
Cuts both ways.I think recalling him is a very short term view. This season is over as far as the league goes, and it’s too close to Liverpool for a recall to make any sense for the league cup (and he’s probably cup tied, not sure). We’ve got Tamworth in the FA Cup and even if it’s through the playoffs should be okay in the Europa League. Then VdV and Romero are back. Recalling him would harm his development imo. I’d much rather see us loan in somebody or bring in a low risk cover option from somewhere.
I agree we need somebody, but I'd prefer it was a loan or somebody who can be an extra body on an okay-ish wage. Then revisit the need for an LCB back up in the summer.Cuts both ways.
Radu, VDV, Romero and Davies all have the potential for reoccurrences of their injuries. We could do with the extra body and he could take his chance. Dorrington clearly isn’t going to be trusted next to Gray at CB judging by Ange’s decisions thus far
I’d go the other way and give the lad a chanceI agree we need somebody, but I'd prefer it was a loan or somebody who can be an extra body on an okay-ish wage. Then revisit the need for an LCB back up in the summer.
But ultimately, he'll be back to being 4th/5th choice come February and we will have stopped him getting another good loan as he'll have played for two teams alreadyI’d go the other way and give the lad a chance
And teams will think twice about loaning from us in the future, if they can't be confident they'll get to keep them come January.But ultimately, he'll be back to being 4th/5th choice come February and we will have stopped him getting another good loan as he'll have played for two teams already
The league season isn’t over yet. We could still get an ECL spot imo with a few points over the next 3 games. Arsenal probably a write off but signings in for a Everton and Leicester may help us to some results.I think recalling him is a very short term view. This season is over as far as the league goes, and it’s too close to Liverpool for a recall to make any sense for the league cup (and he’s probably cup tied, not sure). We’ve got Tamworth in the FA Cup and even if it’s through the playoffs should be okay in the Europa League. Then VdV and Romero are back. Recalling him would harm his development imo. I’d much rather see us loan in somebody or bring in a low risk cover option from somewhere.
People always use the outliers as their main argument. It's fucking stupid.Oh, are we judging all players development against the very few who step up early now?
Seriously, how many Archie Gray's have you seen in your lifetime?
Not that many, I reckon.
It’s even more of an outlier for a centre half - it’s the hardest position for a teenager to play due to the mental and physical maturity required. A 19 year old playing well at Championship level still has pretty much any path open to them. As I said in his own thread, it makes what Archie gray is doing even more ludicrous, that’s he’s the best 18 year old CB I can recall in the PL… and he hasn’t played there at all before this year.People always use the outliers as their main argument. It's fucking stupid.
Remember when Leicester won the league and then everything for the next few years was "well, Leicester did it".
How many players look absolutely amazing at 18 in the PL... Fabregas, Rooney and Owen? That's in 30 years of football. Even Archie Gray (who is doing amazingly) is an absoloute outlier.
Giving up on Phillips at 19 is stupid, he's a regular impressing at a championship team as a CB (also very rare).
I wouldn't bring him back either, let him keep playing at Stoke, he'll probably play another 15-20 games there. Great for his development compared to the handful of games he'd get here (if that). He currently wouldn't be ahead of Dragusin or Gray so he'd be actually 6th choice.