Player Watch: Alejo Véliz

[Wig]

You can turn that in right now, sort of nickname they come up with for their players on Arsemania

Probably what they call Saliba

 

[Trix]

The lad is 20 and only joined last summer, had an injury and went on loan injured. Are we really writing him off already?

I'm not writing him off, but I have 100% come to the conclusion we have a better HG striker option on the books who is 2 years younger than Veliz, and needs a pathway to the first team. You are right in what you say, but I also believe it is wrong to stockpile young players and that they need to be playing. A loan will do him good, and especially a loan in Spain that will give the player himself the best chance of becoming a top level footballer be it with us or someone else.

 

[MB31spurs]

I'm not writing him off, but I have 100% come to the conclusion we have a better HG striker option on the books who is 2 years younger than Veliz, and needs a pathway to the first team. You are right in what you say, but I also believe it is wrong to stockpile young players and that they need to be playing. A loan will do him good, and especially a loan in Spain that will give the player himself the best chance of becoming a top level footballer be it with us or someone else.

Agreed - plays both options on resale and possible player development, ideally for me maybe UK team for learning the league, but get the personal slant also regarding language etc. hope he does well and we benefit financially or with a returning improved player

 

[mattspur1986]

Because he needs to play, and I think a newly promoted team to La Liga will give him more opportunity than an established one fighting for European spots. He won't have a language issue and will find settling in Barcelona a lot easier than Hull or Plymouth. Also puts him in the shop window for us if he has a decent season.

In the shop window? What was the point in buying him then? Such a weird transfer. Such a spurs transfer too. ( not digging your comment out btw) just seems odd we’re loooking to put him in shop window where he’s barely kicked a ball for us.

 

[Trix]

In the shop window? What was the point in buying him then? Such a weird transfer. Such a spurs transfer too. ( not digging your comment out btw) just seems odd we’re loooking to put him in shop window where he’s barely kicked a ball for us.

Because some times players just don't work out. I'd also add it's me that has said it puts him in the shop window, that's my opinion. He's clearly behind Lankshear in Ange's mind and we are looking to bring in another significant CF.

 

[mattspur1986]

Because some times players just don't work out. I'd also add it's me that has said it puts him in the shop window, that's my opinion. He's clearly behind Lankshear in Ange's mind and we are looking to bring in another significant CF.

Fairs, just seems odd that he’s not really been given a true chance, but as you say it would appear lankshear is in front of him, and I’m okay with that.

 

[eddiebailey]

You can turn that in right now, sort of nickname they come up with for their players on Arsemania

Yes, that’s no way to talk about Linekershear.

 

[theShiznit]

Had there been a single La liga loan that has worked out for our players in terms of coming back ready for the 1st team or increasing sale value?

If he does well it increases his loan value next year...

Spoiler

Or the amount in the begging bowl of the loan club

 

[bubble07]

He has clearly been overtaken by Lankshear

 

[deletubbies]

I might be in the minority but I think this is a great loan for him. He will deffo get significant minutes at a club like Espanyol and it will do him good to be in a club fighting to stay up where he'd be an important player. Reckon he can still have an important future at spurs, way to early to decide on which of Dane, Lankshear and Veliz to keep as we've hardly seen them play. In my mind the striker market it so bad atm that whoever we bring in I don't see them being our starter for that long, only a couple of seasons, so I'd expect the club are hoping two of the three can break through. Might be completely wrong, idk but can't do any harm to see how good he is

 

[Blake Griffin]

just feels a bit bryan gil to me. bryan had two decent la liga loans and the only place that got him was another la liga loan. unless they absolutely knock it out of the park then it's difficult to do much with it. let's just say he does well, we still have no evidence that he can do it in england, let alone be good enough for spurs and i doubt we'll have many clubs knocking our door down off the back of a decent season for a lowly spanish side.

 

[Trix]

Fairs, just seems odd that he’s not really been given a true chance, but as you say it would appear lankshear is in front of him, and I’m okay with that.

Thing is mate he will have been given a fair chance. You can't give everyone a run in the first team to see how they do so they are measured in training. The best in training will get that opportunity. It seems pretty clear to me from pre season minutes that Lankshear is preferred, at least for right now.

 

[Impspur1]

I'm not writing him off, but I have 100% come to the conclusion we have a better HG striker option on the books who is 2 years younger than Veliz, and needs a pathway to the first team. You are right in what you say, but I also believe it is wrong to stockpile young players and that they need to be playing. A loan will do him good, and especially a loan in Spain that will give the player himself the best chance of becoming a top level footballer be it with us or someone else.

I'm not writing him off, but I have 100% come to the conclusion we have a better HG striker option on the books who is 2 years younger than Veliz, and needs a pathway to the first team. You are right in what you say, but I also believe it is wrong to stockpile young players and that they need to be playing. A loan will do him good, and especially a loan in Spain that will give the player himself the best chance of becoming a top level footballer be it with us or someone else.

Just to be clear, I wasn’t suggesting you had specifically written him off (whether you have or not) just that there is a general demand amongst some for instant success and a somewhat hypothetical stance on occasion

 

[PCozzie]

Can't believe how many people have written him off already.

Scored in his only appearance that was more than 8 mins, showed huge commitment in chasing players down despite being injured, but 1 poor 1/2 season loan and he is shit now?

Said this a few day's ago: When you are 19/20 and coming to a league where you are not known then having just one unfortunate season on loan is enough for people to give up on you. That's probably entirely unfair, but the reality is that there is no time for bedding in. It's a huge risk for players like Veliz, but he's still going to be playing in one of Europe's top leagues, and Spence has shown there is a path back in to your parent club's plans if you can take it.

 

[FinnYid]

Seems Espanyol don't have anything resembling proper striker on books as Braithwaite moved to Brazil so looks very good on terms of playing time

 

[easley91]

I'm not writing him off, but I have 100% come to the conclusion we have a better HG striker option on the books who is 2 years younger than Veliz, and needs a pathway to the first team. You are right in what you say, but I also believe it is wrong to stockpile young players and that they need to be playing. A loan will do him good, and especially a loan in Spain that will give the player himself the best chance of becoming a top level footballer be it with us or someone else.

I don't disagree re HG options etc, but this is merely an individual case and I have seen a few say sell or outright he isn't good enough. He has barely been given a chance here or on loan due to injury and has been on our books for one year. I understand saying get rid for the likes of Sessegnon and Gil as they were here for years and weren't doing/offering anything. At least send him on what is hopefully a productive loan before casting him aside completely. At 20 he can still very much improve and develop if he is sent somewhere that is better for him than the Sevilla loan was.

 

[Trix]

I don't disagree re HG options etc, but this is merely an individual case and I have seen a few say sell or outright he isn't good enough. He has barely been given a chance here or on loan due to injury and has been on our books for one year. I understand saying get rid for the likes of Sessegnon and Gil as they were here for years and weren't doing/offering anything. At least send him on what is hopefully a productive loan before casting him aside completely. At 20 he can still very much improve and develop if he is sent somewhere that is better for him than the Sevilla loan was.

I mean I don't know the details so it's all guess work, but maybe he hasn't settled well? Maybe this is as much his decision as ours? Maybe he's been offered a league 1 or championship loan and decided he prefers Espanyol and a potential full move to Spain?

It's very difficult to know exactly, and you are right he could well develop into a useful player so writing him off as no good is premature. I still think regardless of anything else Lankshear is clearly favoured by the powers that be and being 2 years younger Veliz is facing a strong uphill battle to make it with us.

 

[GutBucket]

Still too much unknown about him, seems good in air but not sure about everything else. Could end up being similar to Richarlison/Mandzukic or way worse, loan seems perfect if he gets proper minutes. Best case scenario for us is Lankshear being good, which means he won't have future here but maybe he has one in Spain.

 

[bbunc]

We only get 17 non HG roster spots and further complicated until Gray and Bergval can become club trained. We simply don’t have room for a development project like Véliz.

even if we still very much like him as a prospect, he simply had to go on loan this year to play.

tbd whether Lankshear has truly overtaken him or whether it’s simply that Lankshear doesnt eat up a precious roster slot and thus has to be the developmental striker that stays

 

[newbie]

We only get 17 non HG roster spots and further complicated until Gray and Bergval can become club trained. We simply don’t have room for a development project like Véliz.

even if we still very much like him as a prospect, he simply had to go on loan this year to play.

tbd whether Lankshear has truly overtaken him or whether it’s simply that Lankshear doesnt eat up a precious roster slot and thus has to be the developmental striker that stays

the kid scores goals that can’t be not noticed (will Lankshear)

Veliz just doesn’t appear to be anywhere near as clinical