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kitchen

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Arsenal's progress is worryingly ominous. Hopefully they do their usual thing of blowing themselves out after Christmas, but I'm not so sure this time...

I agree. I can see them winning the league this time which is a sign of how weak the PL has become compared to other strong European leagues...
 

tiger666

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I agree. I can see them winning the league this time which is a sign of how weak the PL has become compared to other strong European leagues...

Is it bollocks. It just shows Arsenal are a good team. Take the Spurs tinted glasses off.
 

riggi

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They're better than everyone bar City, so yes.

At the moment yes but consistency is their real test.

If we talk in terms of how strong the league is, would they give Europe's best a game? They certainly did it against Bayern.
 

Shadydan

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Don't think they have the mentality personally, City have the best squad by far, if they keep their man players fit they will win the league quiet easily IMO.
 

thinktank

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Don't think they have the mentality personally, City have the best squad by far, if they keep their man players fit they will win the league quiet easily IMO.
All about how many games they can squeeze out of Aguero. So key for them. They should really be winning it this season. And we still have January to come when they'll likely bolster for the run-in.
 

kitchen

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Is it bollocks. It just shows Arsenal are a good team. Take the Spurs tinted glasses off.

No spurs tints here.

At the middle and bottom end the PL Is strong comparitively but at top end our teams are not strong compared to the best in Europe. Arsenal and city are good sides but have they a hope of winning the champions league? Do they bollocks. :rolleyes:

You may cite arsenal beating Munich the other day but they had about 27% possession. That's embarrassing from 'potential champions'. That's how crap teams beat better teams. Park the bus and counter.
 
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Shadydan

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No spurs tints here.

At the middle and bottom end the PL Is strong comparitively but at top end our teams are not strong compared to the best in Europe. Arsenal and city are good sides but have they a hope of winning the champions league? Do they bollocks :rolleyes:

You may cite arsenal beating Munich the other day but they had about 27% possession. That's embarrassing from 'potential champions'. That's how crap teams beat better teams. Park the bus and counter.

Contradicting your argument surely, before you said the PL was weak but now you're saying it's strong?

Also there's nothing embarrassing about having less of the ball against Bayern Munich, it's what you do with it that counts, that's how smart teams beat teams who hog possession.
 

kitchen

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Contradicting your argument surely, before you said the PL was weak but now you're saying it's strong?

Also there's nothing embarrassing about having less of the ball against Bayern Munich, it's what you do with it that counts, that's how smart teams beat teams who hog possession.

No I merely clarified my statement. Pl at the top is comparitively weak. Italy, Spain, Germany and even France arguably have better top teams.

I agree that having 27% possession and countering is good gameplan for beating Munich. Nothing particularly smart about it though. It's obvious and how all shit teams beat better teams. Hence arsenal (one of the Pl top sides) are nowhere near as good as Munich (one of Europe's top sides) despite beating them.

Hence our league is comparitively weak at the top.
 

Shadydan

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No I merely clarified my statement. Pl at the top is comparitively weak. Italy, Spain, Germany and even France arguably have better top teams.

I agree that having 27% possession and countering is good gameplan for beating Munich. Nothing particularly smart about it though. It's obvious and how all shit teams beat better teams. Hence arsenal (one of the Pl top sides) are nowhere near as good as Munich (one of Europe's top sides) despite beating them.

Hence our league is comparitively weak at the top.

I see, I think though you maybe right, other leagues have stronger CL teams however I think the Prem is the most competitive by a distance which would make whoever wins the league that more impressive. I do think though that City will win it.

It's smart, otherwise if you try and go toe to toe you'd get ripped to shreds. Possesion isn't everything and i keep seeing people laud Bayern's 73% possession and 600 passes but so what, that's not impressive if you don't score, it looks pretty but if you're not putting the ball in the back of the net then it's pointless. No-one else in the world bar Barca will match their possession and the way they keep the ball not even Real who ceded possession last year and ran out comfortable winners, that's being smart.
 

Syn_13

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You think their squad is good enough to win the league?

It's not just about the squad of players itself, there are so many factors. Chelsea and City have the best squads in the league. United's squad is very good too, just better than Arsenal's I'd say. It's all about mentality and gathering the momentum that comes with winning games. How you deal with defeat, avoiding complacency, maintaining concentration and discipline with a congested fixture list.

Arsenal are no strangers to being title contenders at this stage of the season. They have the advantage of having a very stable club. The manager's been there for donkey's years and the club is used to the way things run. They have a far stronger winning mentality than us, which is why they always consistently outperform us in the league despite having a team that is often on par with ours. However, they don't have a 'champion's mentality' and they doubt themselves often. It's entirely possible for them to win the league, but more often than not they lose concentration and psyche themselves out of the title race come March/April.

Their contenders have their own issues to deal with. United are run by a nutjob whose eccentricity is often his own downfall. They lost their identity when Ferguson and their stalwart players left/retired. Chelsea are being crushed by the weight of Mourinho's ego. They should be bossing it with the squad they have but are stuck in a rut. City, despite winning the PL twice, still lack a 'champion's mentality'. They're a collection of superstars being led by a succession of decent (but nothing special) managers. They're like a fantasy football team or something created by a kid playing FIFA. They're trying to create and force a legacy but come across as rich pretenders.
 

riggi

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I think they were a Morgan Schniederlin away from it, but even without him if City fuck up I think Arsenal will be their biggest threat this year.

We shall see. Doesn't bother me much really. I get more pissed off by the clubs we should be beating e.g that lot in claret and blue.
 
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