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ikky

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I think he’s worth the gamble. Yes I get the injury concerns but if he didn’t have them I think he’d be at a bigger club already so maybe this is our only way of getting someone of his ability.
 

SpartanSpur

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To be clear, whilst I have the same concerns over his injury record as many others in here, I still think he's one of the best signings we can make this season. Proper X factor player, the kind that can make the difference in top 6 clashes. Can see why Ange would love to sign him.

If we were to somehow sign Neto and Eze I wouldn't mind having Richarlison and Son as our ST options going into next season, forgoing a big #9 signing. To be honest I'm not sure there are many 9s out there I'd be super keen on aside from the ones like Isak and Osimhen that are out of our price range. Seems Sesko and Openda likely stay another season and I'm not convinced by Toney. Zirkzee looks interesting but I think he's Milan bound.
 

zonbon32

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Initially my instinct would be to stay away due to his injuries, but having read previous posts about 2 of them not being his fault it does make more sense.
Also, for Wolves he is the man, when he's fit, he'll play. With us we'd be able to rotate him and manage his workload, especially with Johnson being a natural RW of a decent standard. Could be pure copium, but I think he'd be worth the risk (Unless they want like £70m in which case they can piss off)
 

mil1lion

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If it wasn't for his injuries we might not stand a chance of getting him though. Probably more top clubs would come for him. Possibly even City especially if Silva leaves.
 

mil1lion

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And that inadvertently proves the point not to sign him in my opinion. Injuries to key players completely derailed our season last year. (Add in Romero suspensions) neto is a 3month injury off the bat in the making.
What derailed our season was the replacements though. If Neto gets injured we still have Johnson, Kulusevski, Son and Werner on the wings. Even if he plays half a season that's a fair bit more than Soloman did and he will make more of an impact. For me it's more a question of how it impacts other signings. If we still get other areas sorted then it's a great signing. If it stops us from improving other areas it's not worth it. If it's Neto or Eze it has to be Eze but if we can get both and fill a couple other positions then perfect.
 

spursfan77

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I thought the set up was to provide the manager a list of players and then he picks from that, which pretty much seems to be what we're doing and for me, is the right way to go about it.

We've seen countless times and at countless clubs that thrusting players on a manager doesn't work.

The idea of having a recruitment team is that they all work together and the manager has to be a part of that.

Yep, that is what I said.
 

spursfan77

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Unlike Manchester City, we can't cherry pick the very best players on the market. We have to compromise. So it's either taking a chance on Neto's injury record if we want proven quality or trusting our scouting setup by unearthing some gems from Europa/EC level clubs on the continent.

Let's go for the latter then......just like they have done. If they hadnt they would have signed him. Instead they went for Doku.
 

McFlash

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Yep, that is what I said.
But you believe Neto isn't one that they've identified, it's one that Ange wants and you're lumping him in with Ndombele and Anthony as one we're looking at just to keep the manager happy?

I'm probably being dense but I'm not sure what your point was?
 

djhotspur

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What derailed our season was the replacements though. If Neto gets injured we still have Johnson, Kulusevski, Son and Werner on the wings. Even if he plays half a season that's a fair bit more than Soloman did and he will make more of an impact. For me it's more a question of how it impacts other signings. If we still get other areas sorted then it's a great signing. If it stops us from improving other areas it's not worth it. If it's Neto or Eze it has to be Eze but if we can get both and fill a couple other positions then perfect.
Why does it have to be Eze? Eze probably wouldn't even start for us, whereas neto is a nailed on starter when fit.
 

djhotspur

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Let's go for the latter then......just like they have done. If they hadnt they would have signed him. Instead they went for Doku.
But players like Doku were well known and they are all going to much bigger clubs. We cant compete for those talents.
 

brasil_spur

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Why does it have to be Eze? Eze probably wouldn't even start for us, whereas neto is a nailed on starter when fit.
Copy pasta over my post in the Eze thread:

We need to stop fixating on starting 11 and squad players.

We need 16-18 first team quality players so that we can rotate, cover for injuries, change tactics and formations as needed and still compete at all levels.

We have a first 11 right now that could challenge for the league and win competitions next season, i've no doubt about that. What we don't have is any real cover in the majority of those positions.

Adding both Eze and Neto would take us to something like 15 first team quality players.
 

djhotspur

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Copy pasta over my post in the Eze thread:

We need to stop fixating on starting 11 and squad players.

We need 16-18 first team quality players so that we can rotate, cover for injuries, change tactics and formations as needed and still compete at all levels.

We have a first 11 right now that could challenge for the league and win competitions next season, i've no doubt about that. What we don't have is any real cover in the majority of those positions.

Adding both Eze and Neto would take us to something like 15 first team quality players.
I do understand that, but top players want to play and you are always going to have a starting 11 unless you are city (even they pretty much did last season). when it comes to the big games and everyone is fit its highly likely Eze doesn't start, unless he's outplaying Maddison which could happen.

I would like both, but it is all a balancing act.
 

mil1lion

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Why does it have to be Eze? Eze probably wouldn't even start for us, whereas neto is a nailed on starter when fit.
Just because he doesn't have the injury record of Neto so if it's on or the other I'd go with the one without those injuries. I'm surprised people are not sure Eze would start though. Our attack was far from convincing last season.
 

djhotspur

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Just because he doesn't have the injury record of Neto so if it's on or the other I'd go with the one without those injuries. I'm surprised people are not sure Eze would start though. Our attack was far from convincing last season.
It was yeah, but in form maddison was our best player, Son is our captain and left wing.... so where do you fit him in? Maybe well change system. But he isn't a winger in our system
 

brasil_spur

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I do understand that, but top players want to play and you are always going to have a starting 11 unless you are city (even they pretty much did last season). when it comes to the big games and everyone is fit its highly likely Eze doesn't start, unless he's outplaying Maddison which could happen.

I would like both, but it is all a balancing act.
These are last seasons top 4 PL teams and the number of outfield players who managed over 75% of the playable minutes and over 50% of the playable minutes for them:

City:
Over 75% = 3 players (Walker, Rodri & Foden)
Over 50% = 11 players (the above + Akanji, Dias, Silva, Haaland, Alvarez, Gvardiol, Ake & Kovacic)

Arsenal:
Over 75% = 7 players (Saliba, Gabriel, Rice, White, Odegaard, Saka & Havertz)
Over 50% = 8 players (the above + Martinelli)

Liverpool:
Over 75% = 1 player (van Dijk)
Over 50% = 10 players (VVD + Diaz, Mac Allister, Gomez, Salah, Nunez, Gakpo, Elliott, Endo & Szoboszlai)

Villa:
Over 75% = 4 players (Konsa, Luiz, Watkins & McGinn)
Over 50% = 11 players (the above + Digne, Cash, Torres, Bailey, Diaby, Tielemens & Carlos)

Those numbers above are actually a bit inflated as I've assumed only 90 minutes in each game, whereas playing time is based on actual time on the pitch including extra time.

But the point stands that no club has a starting 11. Even Arsenal who are the highest there at the over 75% of minutes only have 7 out of 10 outfield players that get that much game time.

For all teams it's a squad game.

What's being forgotten here is how few minutes we played as a team last season due to lack of cups and Europe.

Our highest minutes player last season (outfield) was Porro with 3,272 minutes. For City there were 9 outfield players who played more minutes than him. For Arsenal there were 7, for Liverpool there were 3 and for Villa there were 6.
 

superted4

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It was yeah, but in form maddison was our best player, Son is our captain and left wing.... so where do you fit him in? Maybe well change system. But he isn't a winger in our system

But Maddisons form dropped off a cliff after injury, so he needs competition and rotation options. And Son should certainly not be a guaranteed starter, captin or not. We've got to evolve and players can either rise to the occasion or sit out and look to move on.
 

mil1lion

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It was yeah, but in form maddison was our best player, Son is our captain and left wing.... so where do you fit him in? Maybe well change system. But he isn't a winger in our system
Maddison was only good for a few months. He's never proven to be consistent enough. He will have a fight on his hands and that's how it should be anyway. Also as good as Neto is he's not walking into the team either. It's still a step up from Wolves and Johnson is only getting better while Son still has world class quality. I think Ange has already shown his willing to move players around so I think Eze would play a couple of positions (as would Neto). I think he simply wants different options in attack so he can be more flexible in his choices which he hasn't always had room to do. Even at home to City we played a false 9. I think giving him those different options we are going to see a lot more diversity from Ange this season. Last season was about embedding the ethos of his style into the team which works best when not changing the system too much. This season he will change things more if he has the players too. Similar to what Pep has done over the years.
 
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