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So to recap in the last 4 seasons he's been injured for almost 3 years.

Even on a free transfer I'd have question marks. 50m and Wolves would be laughing all the way to the bank.
 

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Made the winning goal tonight vs. the Czech. I'd be over the moon to sign him - he's world class in the making. I personally think he's worth the risk but I've realized I'm more optimistic than many on here about players having had a record of injuries
 
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Styopa

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The injuries are a concern. But he still managed to play 24 times for Wolves last season. For comparison purposes, van de Ven played 29 times for us last season, Bentancur played 24 times, and 26 this previous season.
 

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So to recap in the last 4 seasons he's been injured for almost 3 years.

Even on a free transfer I'd have question marks. 50m and Wolves would be laughing all the way to the bank.
Your maths is a bit off there, that comes out to almost exactly 18 months. Which obviously is still a massive amount of time to be out injured.

But you need to look at each injury individually. He was injured for 10 months, pretty much a full season and 55% of his total injury time in those 4 seasons, as a result of a fractured patella following a bad landing from a tackle. That's just completely unfortunate and could have happened to absolutely anyone. It looks like he made as close to a full recover from that injury as you could hope for and doesn't seem like it's caused any lasting or recurring issues.

Similarly, he had surgery on his ankle and looks to have avoided any lasting damage there.

The two hamstring injuries this season are a concern as we have first hand experience of how that can lead to ongoing issues and ruin a player's career. But van de Ven also suffered two hamstring injuries this year (the third of his career) but there doesn't seem to be many question marks about his long term ability to remain fit.

I think he would be absolutely worth the gamble.
 

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I thought the whole point of the behind the scenes set up was to avoid the scenario where we were just buying the players the manager wants?

Feels like the kind of signing who might help end up losing the manager his job. We’ve been here before with Poch and Ndombele. ETH and Anthony is similar.
 

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Great player but I’d not go near him with his injuries! Plenty of other good wingers out there! Seems a silly unnecessary risk.
 

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I thought the whole point of the behind the scenes set up was to avoid the scenario where we were just buying the players the manager wants?

Feels like the kind of signing who might help end up losing the manager his job. We’ve been here before with Poch and Ndombele. ETH and Anthony is similar.
There needs to be a balance I suppose of buying players purely because that is who the manager wants and the club signing players and knowing the manager doesn't want them. For example I always got the impression no matter what Spence did he was never going to get a chance under Conte when he called him a club signing when he joined. He made it seem like he didn't want him. Obviously he doesn't appear to be wanted by Ange either so he might not be the best example.
 

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Your maths is a bit off there, that comes out to almost exactly 18 months. Which obviously is still a massive amount of time to be out injured.

But you need to look at each injury individually. He was injured for 10 months, pretty much a full season and 55% of his total injury time in those 4 seasons, as a result of a fractured patella following a bad landing from a tackle. That's just completely unfortunate and could have happened to absolutely anyone. It looks like he made as close to a full recover from that injury as you could hope for and doesn't seem like it's caused any lasting or recurring issues.

Similarly, he had surgery on his ankle and looks to have avoided any lasting damage there.

The two hamstring injuries this season are a concern as we have first hand experience of how that can lead to ongoing issues and ruin a player's career. But van de Ven also suffered two hamstring injuries this year (the third of his career) but there doesn't seem to be many question marks about his long term ability to remain fit.

I think he would be absolutely worth the gamble.
Legend when you put it like this I’m all aboard the Neto train 🚂😅
 

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Your maths is a bit off there, that comes out to almost exactly 18 months. Which obviously is still a massive amount of time to be out injured.

But you need to look at each injury individually. He was injured for 10 months, pretty much a full season and 55% of his total injury time in those 4 seasons, as a result of a fractured patella following a bad landing from a tackle. That's just completely unfortunate and could have happened to absolutely anyone. It looks like he made as close to a full recover from that injury as you could hope for and doesn't seem like it's caused any lasting or recurring issues.

Similarly, he had surgery on his ankle and looks to have avoided any lasting damage there.

The two hamstring injuries this season are a concern as we have first hand experience of how that can lead to ongoing issues and ruin a player's career. But van de Ven also suffered two hamstring injuries this year (the third of his career) but there doesn't seem to be many question marks about his long term ability to remain fit.

I think he would be absolutely worth the gamble.

We’ve seen how Ange’s approach to games and training causes problems for players with dodgy hamstrings and people want us to sign another one with a horrendous history of leg injuries.

Do people not learn anything?!?!
 

Styopa

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I thought the whole point of the behind the scenes set up was to avoid the scenario where we were just buying the players the manager wants?

Feels like the kind of signing who might help end up losing the manager his job. We’ve been here before with Poch and Ndombele. ETH and Anthony is similar.

I think Ndombele was just one of those signings. A lot of times these big signings don't work out. But we've also made plenty of big singings like Bent and Soldado who seemed more like "club" signings than what the manager wanted. So it works both ways. Similarly, players like Sanchez, Aurier and Sissoko always seemed more like club signings than what Poch wanted- and some big money was spent on those players.

I see the Neto signing a bit like how I saw the Gallagher interest. We're probably looking to lean on his injury record (like with Gallagher's contract) to negotiate a lower fee. If he didn't have injury issues he might be out of our price range and on the radar of bigger clubs. So it's a matter of weighing up the risk and deciding whether to take a gamble on it. I would say though forty or fifty mill is not a massive amount in this market. It's probably about the equivalent of 25 to 30 mill that we were paying for players like Aurier or Sissoko.
 

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We’ve seen how Ange’s approach to games and training causes problems for players with dodgy hamstrings and people want us to sign another one with a horrendous history of leg injuries.

Do people not learn anything?!?!

Agreed. He's missed 63 league game in the past three seasons. Paying £60m for him would be madness, regardless of how good he is when fit.
 

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So to recap in the last 4 seasons he's been injured for almost 3 years.

Even on a free transfer I'd have question marks. 50m and Wolves would be laughing all the way to the bank.
Was the knee injury an ACL? That would explain the length and then the subsequent ankle injury (like Bentancur).

Those don’t worry me as he came back at a high level, it’s the 2 hamstring injuries which are the concern. But maybe we think we can manage it and it’s as much of a risk as VdV (rather than Sessegnon levels).
 

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Great player but I’d not go near him with his injuries! Plenty of other good wingers out there! Seems a silly unnecessary risk.
I've mentioned in other threads about Neto but the fundamental difference is how we would utilise him as opposed to Wolves to help mitigate the threat of another recurring hamstring injury.

Wolves play very much on the counter with Neto pushed up ready to capitalise from the halfway line - he not only has to be running full pelt but covering alot of ground in the process so by extension there is obviously going to be a heightened exposure to picking up tendon injuries.

For us though, he would be playing much further up the pitch predominantly and it's going to be those 1v1, short bursts of acceleration and clever one-two's getting in behind the fullbacks much like you would see Doku do at City who equally had a very chequered injury past with knee and hamstring injuries.

He would also be rotated much more here than at Wolves with Johnson as an able deputy.

I'm of course not oblivious to the red flags surrounding his injury record and due diligence certainly required plus how much Wolves want to extort for his services but added context to how he's been deployed thus far to how Ange would use him coupled with the fact that he's bang on the remit for what we need makes me believe he could be a wonderful signing.
 

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I thought the whole point of the behind the scenes set up was to avoid the scenario where we were just buying the players the manager wants?

Feels like the kind of signing who might help end up losing the manager his job. We’ve been here before with Poch and Ndombele. ETH and Anthony is similar.

I don't think that's a fair comparison. Injury wise it's a massive risk, but his quality and work rate are unquestionable and any manager would be happy to inherit him I'm sure.

If he didn't have his injury issues he's probably be at an elite club already, probably Man City.
 

felmani26

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I don't think that's a fair comparison. Injury wise it's a massive risk, but his quality and work rate are unquestionable and any manager would be happy to inherit him I'm sure.

If he didn't have his injury issues he's probably be at an elite club already, probably Man City.
Here's Doku's injury record then;

23/24Muscle injuryDec 4, 2023Jan 5, 202432 days Manchester City 9
22/23Hamstring injuryMar 6, 2023Mar 21, 202315 days Stade Rennais FC 2
22/23Dead legOct 5, 2022Oct 24, 202219 days Stade Rennais FC 5
22/23Muscle injuryAug 29, 2022Sep 14, 202216 days Stade Rennais FC 4
21/22Calf injuryMar 16, 2022Apr 29, 202244 days Stade Rennais FC Belgium 10
21/22Hamstring injuryJan 29, 2022Feb 21, 202223 days Stade Rennais FC 3
21/22Knee injuryDec 2, 2021Dec 31, 202129 days Stade Rennais FC 5
21/22Knee injuryOct 15, 2021Nov 13, 202129 days Stade Rennais FC Belgium 8
21/22Hamstring injuryAug 23, 2021Oct 4, 202142 days Stade Rennais FC Belgium 13
 

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Here's Doku's injury record then;

23/24Muscle injuryDec 4, 2023Jan 5, 202432 days Manchester City 9
22/23Hamstring injuryMar 6, 2023Mar 21, 202315 days Stade Rennais FC 2
22/23Dead legOct 5, 2022Oct 24, 202219 days Stade Rennais FC 5
22/23Muscle injuryAug 29, 2022Sep 14, 202216 days Stade Rennais FC 4
21/22Calf injuryMar 16, 2022Apr 29, 202244 days Stade Rennais FC Belgium 10
21/22Hamstring injuryJan 29, 2022Feb 21, 202223 days Stade Rennais FC 3
21/22Knee injuryDec 2, 2021Dec 31, 202129 days Stade Rennais FC 5
21/22Knee injuryOct 15, 2021Nov 13, 202129 days Stade Rennais FC Belgium 8
21/22Hamstring injuryAug 23, 2021Oct 4, 202142 days Stade Rennais FC Belgium 13

Different scenario. Those are all relatively minor injuries compared to some that Neto had and it is also something that can be quite common with 18-21 year olds as they are still growing.
 

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Another thing you could imagine Ange really linking is Neto’s mentality. Considering he’s been out with two major injuries plus the two hamstrings last season yet each time he gets back to full fitness he is flying from the get go. I mean he was still clocked as one of the fastest players in the PL last season and almost always makes an impact for wolves plus last night for Portugal.

To overcome that sort adversity I’m sure will be greatly appealing to Ange as it shows strong mental fortitude.
 
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