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mil1lion

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You know him? Do you know any agents? Very surprising that someone whose such a nefarious dude has so many clients who seem to love him.
I know enough about him to know the influence he has moving his players around and making the most money. I'm not saying we have no blame but to suggest agents all work the same as Mendes shows you clearly don't know about him and other agents. We should know this too though and not spend much time on his players.
 

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IMO if the player wanted to come here, he would be coming here. Maybe he said he would come here or Chelsea. Maybe he said he has options (Ange quote) or maybe he lied and said he wanted us while telling Chelsea the same thing.

But many of Mende's clients trust him with everything because he has ties all over the world and is trusted by boardrooms too. He can easily get Neto his next move in a few years if it doesn't work out, which banks him more commission - he's built an unstoppable business model for his agency.
He would have gone to any of the top clubs who agreed a fee with Wolves. We didnt and Chelsea did. Plenty of players don't get the move they want because the teams can't agree a fee. Happens a lot.
 

gavspur

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Weird he goes to Chelsea after all our effort. I would think that Sancho would be next on our list. And could be a very good player for us down the right. We certainly seem to be targeting English/Prem players.
 

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Weird he goes to Chelsea after all our effort. I would think that Sancho would be next on our list. And could be a very good player for us down the right. We certainly seem to be targeting English/Prem players.
Really hope that's true, I really rate Sancho. If Ange thinks he's the right fit he could really get back to his best
 

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He would have gone to any of the top clubs who agreed a fee with Wolves. We didnt and Chelsea did. Plenty of players don't get the move they want because the teams can't agree a fee. Happens a lot.
I disagree. This is all about moving pieces of the puzzle for mendes.

Usurping us for Chelsea puts him in their good graces. He'll get more from them than us. He just used us as leverage for a better deal.
 

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Really hope that's true, I really rate Sancho. If Ange thinks he's the right fit he could really get back to his best
He also seems like the type of player that needs a manager like Ange to get the best out of him. Who knows? Have to wait and see.
 

mil1lion

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You want the player, Pay the fees. If you were never willing to do that, don't come to the table, and waste everyone's time. Simple
It's called negotiating. Literally every club negotiates and every team has deals that fail at the negotiation stage. We're not the only ones. You only learn what the actual cost is when negotiating with the club. It's not just a case of this player will cost this much. There's payment terms to consider.among other things. Often times the selling club inflate the asking price and the buyer comes in below. They end up making a deal or the seller holds firm. You can't tell how it will go until you enter discussions. For all we know they could've taken Skipp from us as part of the deal. Also agent fees are an issue because you're paying that on top of the cost to the selling club. It's all part of the package. If you get the selling club down enough maybe then it allows to cover agent fees. There's a lot more in transfers that we don't know about as well.
 

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You want the player, Pay the fees. If you were never willing to do that, don't come to the table, and waste everyone's time. Simple
So, at the agent's end of the table, where he negotiates while making us believe there's time to reach a compromise, while doing the same with others, it's just an agent being an agent, but on our end of the table, it's as simple as wasting everyone's time? Solid logic.

Also, we've been told by WLB that we would have paid Wolves what Chelsea are paying. So, I don't know what point you are trying to make.
 

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Mendes puts himself ahead of his own client. It makes it impossible to deal with him. We still had to try of course, because Ange prioritised Neto, but we all knew what would happen and I'm assuming the club did as well.

So we can't judge the club based upon the fact that Mendes screwed us, but rather on how well prepared we were for that eventuality. If we have other options lined up and ready to go, we couldn't really have done more. If we haven't then we are idiots. For my part, I think Neto would have been a great fit, but never allowed myself to hope because of Mendes.

I would imagine that Mendes would have restricted our direct access to his client, in order to better control the situation and manipulate all parties. I don't think Chelsea is a great fit for Neto, but it is the perfect club for Mendes right now. In fact, he must be salivating.

You have an owner who spends like a drunken lord, who won't bat an eyelid at your commission, and a squad bloated with talented players, many of whom will certainly be looking for moves or new representation in the coming years.

No question Mendes is doing his utmost to ingratiate himself with Chelsea, and what better way than to give them a fast deal which cut out the competition. My representatives are literally sitting with Spurs as we speak, but if you want to pay me the agent fees they never will, let's just get this done right now....
Fully agree. If I were the Chelsea merc club I’d just say that we’ll match any other transfer fee to Wolves and tell Mendes that his fee from Chelsea will be £2m more than any other club offers him to get the deal done. Pretty easy if you're just prepared to throw money at it and happy to line agents’ pockets.

One aspect of Levy’s approach that I agree with is his push to try and avoid the biggest agents taking too much out of the game. It’s gotten way out of control. I think Levy is trying to take a stand on that and I support him.

So, I think we’ve been a bit naive trying to sign a Mendes client in light of this. The two points above made it impossible for us to get him even if the player was himself keen.
 

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After racking my brain all of yesterday trying to come up with another option for RW that would be tailor-made and ready to perform exactly how Ange wants his wingers to perform, I've finally managed to come up with someone. Although I must say it unfortunately comes with a massive caveat...

Yeremy Pino of Villareal.

He honestly might even be better suited than Pedro Neto was.

1. He's an excellent 1v1 dribbler with the acceleration and tenacity to burst through players.

2. He's equally capable of playing on either wing.

3. Is a two-way dribbler so can both cut inside and drive to the byline.

4. He's a superb crosser of the ball so will easily be able to whip in the low-driven crosses Ange loves

5. He also has brilliant awareness and the desire to get on the end of crosses himself, so gets plenty tap-in goals at the back himself which Ange loves

6. He has an immense work rate and is a superb tackler, adding another pressing monster to the attack.

7. Despite his height, actually has a brilliant heading success rate.


7. Only 21 so has the hunger and drive to be developed by Ange.

Honestly the only caveat to him, which I'm sure many of you will already be aware of, is that he's just coming back off an ACL injury in November. The surgeries on those injuries are constantly improving however so if we got him in for a medical and everything seemed good then I don't think it's insane to think we might chance it.

More realistically though what I think we could very well do is delay signing any RW for now and strengthen in other areas first i.e. Eze/Doue/Locko etc.

I think we might look at the RW's that are left available currently and realise there's no perfect option, they'll then look at Pino as being the perfect piece of the puzzle and so would decide it would be worth waiting to see how he recovers post-injury and then pounce on him in January if he's looking back to his best.



This is an old video and obviously highlights can be a pretty awful representation of a player, but you can't watch that and tell me he isn't a perfect player for what Ange wants.

The issues with the injury could also tie in with the ITK from Prof that we're negotiating for a winger that has complications
 

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After racking my brain all of yesterday trying to come up with another option for RW that would be tailor-made and ready to perform exactly how Ange wants his wingers to perform, I've finally managed to come up with someone. Although I must say it unfortunately comes with a massive caveat...

Yeremy Pino of Villareal.

He honestly might even be better suited than Pedro Neto was.

1. He's an excellent 1v1 dribbler with the acceleration and tenacity to burst through players.

2. He's equally capable of playing on either wing.

3. Is a two-way dribbler so can both cut inside and drive to the byline.

4. He's a superb crosser of the ball so will easily be able to whip in the low-driven crosses Ange loves

5. He also has brilliant awareness and the desire to get on the end of crosses himself, so gets plenty tap-in goals at the back himself which Ange loves

6. He has an immense work rate and is a superb tackler, adding another pressing monster to the attack.

7. Despite his height, actually has a brilliant heading success rate.


7. Only 21 so has the hunger and drive to be developed by Ange.

Honestly the only caveat to him, which I'm sure many of you will already be aware of, is that he's just coming back off an ACL injury in November. The surgeries on those injuries are constantly improving however so if we got him in for a medical and everything seemed good then I don't think it's insane to think we might chance it.

More realistically though what I think we could very well do is delay signing any RW for now and strengthen in other areas first i.e. Eze/Doue/Locko etc.

I think we might look at the RW's that are left available currently and realise there's no perfect option, they'll then look at Pino as being the perfect piece of the puzzle and so would decide it would be worth waiting to see how he recovers post-injury and then pounce on him in January if he's looking back to his best.



This is an old video and obviously highlights can be a pretty awful representation of a player, but you can't watch that and tell me he isn't a perfect player for what Ange wants.

The issues with the injury could also tie in with the ITK from Prof that we're negotiating for a winger that has complications

That sounds great but he has 32 strength on FIFA.
 

barry

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Fully agree. If I were the Chelsea merc club I’d just say that we’ll match any other transfer fee to Wolves and tell Mendes that his fee from Chelsea will be £2m more than any other club offers him to get the deal done. Pretty easy if you're just prepared to throw money at it and happy to line agents’ pockets.

One aspect of Levy’s approach that I agree with is his push to try and avoid the biggest agents taking too much out of the game. It’s gotten way out of control. I think Levy is trying to take a stand on that and I support him.

So, I think we’ve been a bit naive trying to sign a Mendes client in light of this. The two points above made it impossible for us to get him even if the player was himself keen.
Do you really believe this?
 

barry

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It's called negotiating. Literally every club negotiates and every team has deals that fail at the negotiation stage. We're not the only ones. You only learn what the actual cost is when negotiating with the club. It's not just a case of this player will cost this much. There's payment terms to consider.among other things. Often times the selling club inflate the asking price and the buyer comes in below. They end up making a deal or the seller holds firm. You can't tell how it will go until you enter discussions. For all we know they could've taken Skipp from us as part of the deal. Also agent fees are an issue because you're paying that on top of the cost to the selling club. It's all part of the package. If you get the selling club down enough maybe then it allows to cover agent fees. There's a lot more in transfers that we don't know about as well.
I was replying to your spurious hypothesis about agent fees, not the whole deal. How much did Mendes make? What's his cut?
 

mil1lion

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I was replying to your spurious hypothesis about agent fees, not the whole deal. How much did Mendes make? What's his cut?
Obviously I don't know that but he always takes a cut so it's not a big stretch to suggest he's taking something. Just as you don't know the ins and outs of the deal but seem convinced Mendes did nothing wrong. Despite his history which is why I have my doubts he isn't part of the issue again here.
 

barry

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So, at the agent's end of the table, where he negotiates while making us believe there's time to reach a compromise, while doing the same with others, it's just an agent being an agent, but on our end of the table, it's as simple as wasting everyone's time? Solid logic.

Also, we've been told by WLB that we would have paid Wolves what Chelsea are paying. So, I don't know what point you are trying to make.
He claimed we wouldn't be willing to pay the agent fees, I replied to that. I don't really get the rest of your post.

His whole argument was disingenuous. He, like many, is assuming agent fees were the cause. More likely Chelsea beat us because they offered Wolves a better deal, and agent fees played a miniscule part, but everyone wants to blame the "big bad" Mendes. It's laughable.

The man does hundreds of deals with all manner of clubs, why is it us who have problems?
If we really did boycott his players do you realise how much our market would shrink? It's crazy
 
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