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Opinion: Spurs new stadium aggrandisement - Spurs community won't be red-carded

bigspurs

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Aug 9, 2005
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Take spurs out of the area and see how long those family businesses last. Think of all the extra revenue an increased capacity will bring to the WHOLE area on match days.

That place is about as close to 'The Wire' as anywhere in London could be! All they want to do is sell crack, kill each other and be too cool to go to school. I can't believe that normal people used to actually live there!
 

davidmatzdorf

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Jun 7, 2004
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"Social cleansing" is a tad incendiary, isn't it?

Not really, it's what will probably happen.

The ability of so-called 'community campaigners' to shoot themselves in both feet never fails to amuse me. It's pathetic, they're infantile: an article like this is the cliché-ridden product of an in-group 'campaigner' mentality that has no clue how to communicate with the outside world. And the really sad thing is that the gross incompetence and irrelevance of these people always conceals some hard home truths.

If/when the regeneration happens, Tottenham will change: working-class people will get screwed, in part because they do not know how to play the system, middle-class people will enter and forever change the character of the area and Tottenham will be gentrified.

That's what will happen because that's what always happens. It's how capitalism works.

But all the supposed opponents can do is to compose 'Dave Spart' style broadsides and then retire to contemplate their defeat and congratulate themselves for 'not having compromised'. They're pathetic. They say things that are accurate, but they unerringly manage to say them in language calculated to please their in-group mates, instead of finding ways to say them that might achieve change.

There are useful things that people could do to protect the rights of tenants, ensure that there is adequate properly-affordable housing in whatever replaces Love Lane and prevent the whole regeneration from being taken over by those who want to build flats and boutiques for the rich. But those things require people to be pragmatic, to engage in dialogue and to cut deals.

Unfortunately, most people with socialist principles [or at least most members of campaign groups] don't get this. It's far more important to take a stand, show off your opposition and lose than it is to get stuck in and do the years of hard work needed to deliver the regeneration properly.

It's why I don't fucking bother anymore.
 
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Coyboy

The Double of 1961 is still The Double
Dec 3, 2004
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The writer mourns (I assume Archway's) " human rights"?

The irony is irresistible.
 

slartibartfast

Grunge baby forever
Oct 21, 2012
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I haven't visited Tottenham since I moved to Central America and had no idea that the area had run down so much. The responses to this extremely biased article certainly made me aware of how important the NDP is for this part of London.
My Dads from Glasgow and moved to London in mid 60s where he met my Mum. They used to go to Spurs and go to some Ball room on the High Rd.
They moved away and hadn't been back for decades until my Dad said he'd come to a Spurs game with me about 5 years ago.
He couldn't believe what a shit hole the place had become (and he's from rough end in Glasgow lol).
If you were blind folded and dropped off on the High Rd you'd have no idea what country you were in let alone London.
Its not integration of other races and cultures. Its take thousands of poor immigrants, dump them all in one area where there's no prospects and let the place fall apart.
Probably put a few PC knob ends noses out of joint but whatever your views few could argue its anything other than a shit hole.
You've got to see it too believe it.
 

Lilbaz

Just call me Baz
Apr 1, 2005
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It just shows you how bad the area is if they are campaigning to save a fried chicken shop. Anywhere else they'd be having a parade.
 

Lilbaz

Just call me Baz
Apr 1, 2005
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Not really, it's what will probably happen.

The ability of so-called 'community campaigners' to shoot themselves in both feet never fails to amuse me. It's pathetic, they're infantile: an article like this is the cliché-ridden product of an in-group 'campaigner' mentality that has no clue how to communicate with the outside world. And the really sad thing is that the gross incompetence and irrelevance of these people always conceals some hard home truths.

If/when the regeneration happens, Tottenham will change: working-class people will get screwed, in part because they do not know how to play the system, middle-class people will enter and forever change the character of the area and Tottenham will be gentrified.

That's what will happen because that's what always happens. It's how capitalism works.

But all the supposed opponents can do is to compose 'Dave Spart' style broadsides and then retire to contemplate their defeat and congratulate themselves for 'not having compromised'. They're pathetic. They say things that are accurate, but they unerringly manage to say them in language calculated to please their in-group mates, instead of finding ways to say them that might achieve change.

There are useful things that people could do to protect the rights of tenants, ensure that there is adequate properly-affordable housing in whatever replaces Love Lane and prevent the whole regeneration from being taken over by those who want to build flats and boutiques for the rich. But those things require people to be pragmatic, to engage in dialogue and to cut deals.

Unfortunately, most people with socialist principles don't get this. It's far more important to take a stand, show off your opposition and lose than it is to get stuck in and do the years of hard work needed to deliver the regeneration properly.

It's why I don't fucking bother anymore.

Was with you until here. I have socialist principles and so do a lot of my friends, some of them are gooners and are representatives for the unions. All of us agree on the need for regeneration of Tottenham.

The guy either has a vested interest or is a nutter. He is not representative of the vast majority of socialists and hasn't fully grasped what is going on. Didn't see him campaigning to stop us building a new school or college.
 

shelfmonkey

Weird is different, different is interesting.
Mar 21, 2007
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You just want to sit these fucktards down and ask them to explain why these businesses are there? Why people use them. What kind of people would use them if there was no spurs and laughably, how these stupid ****s think they'll make the area better without 60k people every other week plus all the tours, the club shop and general visitors.

Then again, all of the above explains why the area is such a hell hole. They're all too retarded to do better.

*retard used in the context of lazy, ignorant wilfully useless, not mentally ill.

Post of the year.
 

davidmatzdorf

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Jun 7, 2004
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*retard used in the context of lazy, ignorant wilfully useless, not mentally ill.

Classic example of 'when standing in a hole, it is best to stop digging'.

Can someone else please explain to TMS what an amazing pot-pourri of bigotry, ignorance and stupidity he has managed to pack into one obnoxious sentence? If I try, I will start to rant.
 

TottenhamMattSpur

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Aug 31, 2012
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Classic example of 'when standing in a hole, it is best to stop digging'.

Can someone else please explain to TMS what an amazing pot-pourri of bigotry, ignorance and stupidity he has managed to pack into one obnoxious sentence? If I try, I will start to rant.

What SC does when you speak
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HotspurFC1950

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Feb 6, 2011
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I have not been to Tottenham in many a year. I'm sad and surprised with what I am reading here.

Cosmic lived right there way back I wonder what the good lady thinks of it all.

I only lived there til age 6 then we moved to Waltham Cross and then to Hatfield Brode Oak.

Tottenham was ok back then.
 
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