Match Threads North London Derby pt 1

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

Well yes, but Im assuming it',ll be more of the same level in quality not 80 milliion or so for Mitoma - who'd be perfect.

Well you’re probably right there, sigh.

Let’s hope Odobert develops nicely, we actually develop Moore and we sign a proper RW soon.

Oh and pray Yang becomes quality too.

 

[DenverSpur]

Most ‘fans’ who’ve bought their club have made a real mess of it by allowing heart to rule head when it comes to transfers.

 

[only1waddle]

But with different personnel imo it plays out very differently.

If instead of 2 limited wingers we had Mitoma and Kudus (using 2 non elite team examples, I’m aware we won’t sign them), we’d be a completely different animal and significantly harder to beat and play against.

The worst aspect of all this is that its the same fan conversation/you tube analysis as last season, the wingers aren't good enough, (with the exception of Odobert who has loads of potential)
It's mental.

 

[Wearegoingtowintheleague]

Really sad once again to see somr fans lose faith so soon.

It's really difficult to break teams down who put 11 men behind the ball and play on the counter. Mourinho has made a career of winning trophies this way.

It takes moments of magic, players who can beat a player in a one to one to open up space, quick passing moves etc.

We are in a similar position to when we had Poch and had lots of the ball but struggled.to break teams down.

It'll take time to get these patterns of play and with it confidence bit once we are able to break teams down we will be a real force.

We haven't gone out and splashed cash on players that could have an immediate impact. So why there is now talk about our manager is just crazy.

When Man City faced such defences they went out and bought the players to unlock such defences. We buy potential and hope.

Yes, there are areas we can improve such as set pieces which are a concern. But let's not throw our toys out the pram yet again only to start the cycle all over again and have some patience.

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

The worst aspect of all this is that its the same fan conversation/you tube analysis as last season, the wingers aren't good enough, (with the exception of Odobert who has loads of potential)
It's mental.

It really is crazy and it’s so frustrating because you just know our entire team is capped at a certain level until it changes. So we basically have to watch another whole season being crap out wide (unless Odobert explodes).

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

Spot on.

 

[gibbospurs]

Yep spot on

People so easily forget where we were 18 months ago. Turgid football, sitting back and supposedly being difficult to beat by keeping it 'tight' and still conceding silly goals with no ability then to get back into a game

We just dominated Arse who were in the title battle until the final day of last season (with one of our first choice midfielders absent and out second striker) and lost by very fine margins. Somehow not managing a tap in on a couple of occasions in the first half + the clear pen by Gabriel on Johnson

We have developed consistency in our general play (basically dominating possession, pressing, turnovers) and if we attack a little better and defend a little better we will be difficult to beat

Seriously some people need to relax a little. We are only 13 months in to this project

Dominated Arsenal? Other than the fist 20 mins they played with us. Like a cat with a mouse imo. The fans knew it too, was really quiet. Nobody wanting to join in.

 

[cliff jones]

Dominated Arsenal? Other than the fist 20 mins they played with us. Like a cat with a mouse imo. The fans knew it too, was really quiet. Nobody wanting to join in.

We neither dominated them, nor did they play with us. What,are you chaps watching, or smoking?

It was an even game decided by a set piece. We played well on the whole. Bored with talk of their injuries. Biss would have started and Richarlie off the bench would have been fkin handy on the hour.

Ange does need to step in up this,week, time to bench two or three and see what the kids have got.

 

[gibbospurs]

We neither dominated them, nor did they play with us. What,are you chaps watching, or smoking?

It was an even game decided by a set piece. We played well on the whole. Bored with talk of their injuries. Biss would have started and Richarlie off the bench would have been fkin handy on the hour.

Ange does need to step in up this,week, time to bench two or three and see what the kids have got.

We could still be playing them now and not scored, we are so far behind them again ffs. Could you honestly put one of our players in there 11 over ours position wise? Utter shite our transfer business. Maybe Micky gets in.

 

[Adam456]

We neither dominated them, nor did they play with us. What,are you chaps watching, or smoking?

It was an even game decided by a set piece. We played well on the whole. Bored with talk of their injuries. Biss would have started and Richarlie off the bench would have been fkin handy on the hour.

Ange does need to step in up this,week, time to bench two or three and see what the kids have got.

Dominated Arsenal? Other than the fist 20 mins they played with us. Like a cat with a mouse imo. The fans knew it too, was really quiet. Nobody wanting to join in.

Yes of course we were the dominant team in that game. What on earth were you both watching?

Arse basically played like a Conte team and it's one of the games where they got away with it. Had one of our chances gone in and we defended that corner properly you'd be ecstatic and there'd be questioning their squad depth, Lego man etc.

This inability to see past the score line and the insistence that everything is horribly wrong because of one or two aspects are not *absolutely amazing* is what you expect from AFTV, BBC comments etc.

 

[cliff jones]

Yes of course we were the dominant team in that game. What on earth were you both watching?

Arse basically played like a Conte team and it's one of the games where they got away with it. Had one of our chances gone in and we defended that corner properly you'd be ecstatic and there'd be questioning their squad depth, Lego man etc.

This inability to see past the score line and the insistence that everything is horribly wrong because of one or two aspects are not *absolutely amazing* is what you expect from AFTV, BBC comments etc.

Horribly wrong- try reading my post again?

 

[Shanks]

Also completely dreading this. They will stick White on Vicario at every corner and it will be panic stations every time. Think we need to score 3 here to win it.

Rob knows.

my concern for the remainder of the season, is this is now the playbook for every single team to set up against us (and it’s worked a treat so far this year).

weak as fuck at the very back.

 

[sparx100]

Rob knows.

my concern for the remainder of the season, is this is now the playbook for every single team to set up against us (and it’s worked a treat so far this year).

weak as fuck at the very back.

Lloris was absolute horse shit on corners as well. Surely the coaching team must tell the goalkeeper to come out, be a physical **** and clear everyone out the way to get the ball?
It is like Lloris mk 2. Excellent shot stopper, stays on line for corners.

 

[sparx100]

The worst aspect of all this is that its the same fan conversation/you tube analysis as last season, the wingers aren't good enough, (with the exception of Odobert who has loads of potential)
It's mental.

Noone knows if Odobert has potential. The kid is 19 and apart from his first half debut looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights - same as Johnson. Is it the player or the tactics?

 

[Shanks]

Lloris was absolute horse shit on corners as well. Surely the coaching team must tell the goalkeeper to come out, be a physical **** and clear everyone out the way to get the ball?
It is like Lloris mk 2. Excellent shot stopper, stays on line for corners.

I much preferred loris over Vicario at these though.

keeper coaching is weird though, really weird tbh, all depends on what attributes coaches prefer.
One thing my son told me recently is that he doesn’t enjoy training with first team keepers, as sessions are shit compared to the younger teams, focus is more on just keeping body moving and hands clean, where as with younger set up it’s focused on improving all areas, which kinda makes sense, hoping that’s not the case for us, as would indicate little development going on, although a 27 yr old keeper you’d expect the basics in place already.

 

[sparx100]

I much preferred loris over Vicario at these though.

keeper coaching is weird though, really weird tbh, all depends on what attributes coaches prefer.
One thing my son told me recently is that he doesn’t enjoy training with first team keepers, as sessions are shit compared to the younger teams, focus is more on just keeping body moving and hands clean, where as with younger set up it’s focused on improving all areas, which kinda makes sense, hoping that’s not the case for us, as would indicate little development going on, although a 27 yr old keeper you’d expect the basics in place already.

Very interesting bud and a good insight into the world of goalkeeping. I really like Vicario from a showreel perspective - a Hollywood keeper, but if Ange isn't going to focus on what is clearly a really poor facet to his game then Vicario needs replacing in the next transfer window and Ange and his coaching teams complete stubbornness will get rewarded with the sack. It's inevitable in my mind.

 

[only1waddle]

Noone knows if Odobert has potential. The kid is 19 and apart from his first half debut looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights - same as Johnson. Is it the player or the tactics?

Odobert has potential based on his performances for Burnley and the way Kompany spoke about him, that's more than enough to state he has potential.

 

[sparx100]

Odobert has potential based on his performances for Burnley and the way Kompany spoke about him, that's more than enough to state he has potential.

All I see is a player who receives the ball in front of the defender and passes it sideways just like all our wingers. He may still be learning the game but is potential enough for right now?

We have Bergvall who has potential, Gray who has potential and now Odobert who has potential from a few performances from Burnley (not including our home grown talent who can't get a place on the bench as there is too much potential......

That is £80M spent on potential. When do we see the potential realised? 2026? Doesn't seem to help us right now.

Potential is not worth shit in the present moment. We seemingly operate a different model to the top teams (bar Chelsea who are just batshit crazy) where we try and steal a march on them for players with potential but not to improve the first 11. Between last season and this season we have 1 new player who has been bought as a first team player in Solanke with the rest being "potential".

This club stinks with it's strategic direction not being to win trophies or challenge, but to have a group of young players who may or may not make it in a few years time, a manager who has a primary tactic of winning the possession stat and a set of players ill fitted to play a style of football that he managed to implement at fuckng Celtic who win the league every season. I reckon you could chuck 11 potentials into Celtic and they would win the league but it isn't happening in the Premier league.

Sorry for the rant and I am sure Odobert will prove me wrong. - I want him to as well, but for every Harry Kane you have your Sessengnon, Gil, Veliz and Yang who are just never going to make it.

 

[only1waddle]

All I see is a player who receives the ball in front of the defender and passes it sideways just like all our wingers. He may still be learning the game but is potential enough for right now?

We have Bergvall who has potential, Gray who has potential and now Odobert who has potential from a few performances from Burnley (not including our home grown talent who can't get a place on the bench as there is too much potential......

That is £80M spent on potential. When do we see the potential realised? 2026? Doesn't seem to help us right now.

Potential is not worth shit in the present moment. We seemingly operate a different model to the top teams (bar Chelsea who are just batshit crazy) where we try and steal a march on them for players with potential but not to improve the first 11. Between last season and this season we have 1 new player who has been bought as a first team player in Solanke with the rest being "potential".

This club stinks with it's strategic direction not being to win trophies or challenge, but to have a group of young players who may or may not make it in a few years time, a manager who has a primary tactic of winning the possession stat and a set of players ill fitted to play a style of football that he managed to implement at fuckng Celtic who win the league every season. I reckon you could chuck 11 potentials into Celtic and they would win the league but it isn't happening in the Premier league.

Sorry for the rant and I am sure Odobert will prove me wrong. - I want him to as well, but for every Harry Kane you have your Sessengnon, Gil, Veliz and Yang who are just never going to make it.

Well, a number of my posts have been about having readymade players whilst the youth develop.
I'm generally in agreement with you.
We've not got the balance right IMO.
Needed a quality RW in the window.

*Not sure why you've written Yang off?

 

[thePessimist]

If only our experienced players like son and maddison were performing better, it would be a lot easier for the younger guys.

very disappointing to see the lack of leadership