Aay_Jay_Dee
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why do you say that?
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why do you say that?
kendoddsdadsdogsdead
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Why?
richard_gleeson
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The fact that we even have to say "we need a rebuild" suggests there's been a massive fuck up in the management area, whether that's the board or Poch. That basically means that plans haven't been made, or, the plans were wrong. We've basically wasted the last 5 years of progress.
My thoughts:
(1) Levy hates risk. From what I've seen he always goes for less risky decision
Replacement during Dec is risky
- the new guy won't have time before plenty of games in Dec and Jan that will decide where we are
- little time to prepare for winter transfer window (you need time to test the squad players and decide whom to replace)
Replacement later is even more risky, if I recall it correctly majority of managerial changes for relegation teams were unsuccessful
In summer there are many more options for a new manager (more convenient for Levy that Jose or Allegri), transfer window, full preseason etc
(2) I think Levy also understands he's fucked up with too many unsettled players remaining (CE Rose Wanyama et al)
(3) The new guys (except for Ndombele) have barely played so makes sense to wait
(4) Our home and away form is shit since Feb 2019, no reaction from Levy . Why he would do it now?
(5) No pressure from the board, fans and media. No Pochout banners, everyone is happy
Spurslove
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Not too long ago I would have been horrified at the prospect, but we are in very deep shit and we 've been shit all through this calendar year, so anyone who can come in and shake things up, even Jose...I'd welcome him. We have far too many players who are letting us all down and have been doing so for far too long. The way I feel right now, anyone who wants to leave can fuck off including Poch.
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1 - Not sure that makes any sense based on reality. He's changed manager a few times at this point in the year before now, and I'd say an awful lot of what he does it about risk.
2 - Nothing to do with Levy, and fans would have gone mental if we let Eriksen leave in the summer. Revisionism at its finest
3 - There are reasons why that might be an issue with the manager
4 - Such an odd thing to say... when is too soon for you, and when is too late?
5 - Not according to the internet!
eddiev14
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I’m sure I heard a while ago that Mourinho and Levy have a lot of professional respect for each other, and in fact Levy tried to hire him from Porto before Abramovich came in.
No way can Maureen and Levy come to agreement on funds for purchases. Maureen only buys expensive players from his friendly agents. Levy won’t sign up to that.
VancouverSpur
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Maybe Levy needs to challenge himself but you are right cannot see him going for Mourinho as it just doesn’t jive
I don't want to run into an endless debate on 1, 2 and 3 as we have had that discussion already
On 4 - Dec is too late. The right time would have been October
In order to (still) finish 4th and get CL football you need to have ~70 points +/-5. We NOW (not in Dec) have 14 points out of 12 games, so we need to get 56 points of 26 games
That's 2.15 pts NOW and will be >2.3 pts/ game in Dec - I don't think it's achievable for any manager. World class managers get 2.2-2.4 pts/ game and it takes time to get there
(NB Allegri at Juve got 2.27 pts/ game, Mour was around 1.9-2 at Utd and Chelski, but those are averages)
So it doesn't matter from a financial perspective if we appoint a new coach or not - we are anyway out of CL run and getting to midtable finish. New manager, on the other hand, is risky (could end up in relegation or have a players/manager conflict) and Levy hates risk (repeating myself)
Windwarden
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Tuchel or ten hag please. I know the itk re tuchel but I don’t care, he loves spurs. That is all.
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glacierSpurs
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And OT, Bayern thrashed Dortmund 4-0 after sacking Kovac with Hans Flick in caretaking. That's how the manager bounce can give the team such a lift.
VancouverSpur
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And they made the change 4 points off the top of the league.
ClintEastwould
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Ryan Mason?
JayB
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I still want Allegri. He brings a lot of the good sides of what Jose would bring but without the penchant for leaving clubs in turmoil or the consistent demands of signing aging players with no resale value on massive wages. I completely agree with those saying that Mourinho and Levy would almost immediately be at loggerheads over recruitment whereas I'm guessing that Allegri would happily coexist with a DOF (which for a long time was Levy's preferred setup, only truly abandoned when Poch demanded greater control over transfers which has turned out to be a massive mistake).
Shadydan
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Are you alright mate?
ClintEastwould
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I’d snap your hand off for a 59% win ratio right now
Imagine the look on Vertonghen’s face when tactics Tim walks into the dressing room on the first day back on the job
mpickard2087
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I wouldn't call it a fuck up, they've just got into new territory that not so many in football get to and not been quick/ruthless enough to react.
For football managers the average life cycle is what, a couple of years? Three/four at max. People like Alex Ferguson as the obvious example, who are there for several generations of the football team and are ahead of the curve and have the instinct as to when to renew or refresh, or make ballsy calls and/or get rid of previously key pieces of the puzzle, don't happen these days. Guardiola, Mourinho, and the other 99.9% of managers out there come in, spunk some money to get a core group of players, last as long as they get something near 100% out of them - then they quit or usually are sacked. Very few managers these days has to experience rebuilding, 'knowing' when to get rid, and do this whilst maintaining results.
This goes for Poch. It's one thing being able to turf out dissenters early on, or fringe players who aren't in the team, but an entirely different scenario getting rid of key players that you have had some relative success with, might have built strong bonds and affinities with, still somewhat performing for you, and might leave you facing the wrath of fans for selling a favourite, plus quizzical looks from the boardroom. Maybe he wanted more change, maybe he didn't, but on the evidence overall he's reached new territory and probably not been ruthless , especially as someone who demands 100% buy in and his teams are all about effort and commitment.
Go back to the example of a Fergie-type character, with experience of renovating a team.... Two years or so ago when Lloris stopped sweeping up, and got more erratic in general, you reckon they wouldn't have spent a bit of money on a keeper and brought in a serious rival, if only to light a fire under Hugo's arse? When Alderweireld first started his contract shenanigans, he'd be fucked off ASAP, instead we allow the contract to wind down and now have to replace him at the same time as an increasingly ancient looking Vertonghen. Danny Rose gets umpteen chances to lose focus/mouth off. Eriksen is allowed getting on 18 months of poor form. Even the Alli's and Kane's, those at the top of the tree, are allowed to lose focus and/or not work as hard and get into a comfort zone. Would that all be tolerated.......? Kyle Walker was the only one where a big call was made, but even then it was at the time where Trippier was arguably showing more and a replacement was there waiting.
But I think it's new territory for Levy as well. In his tenure it's been a different playing field. From the mid table misery era of dross teams it's easy to keep overhauling the squads and buying new players, whilst the ones you lose are either the very best ones snapped up by those higher in the food chain or ones usually on the fringes and/or flopped you obviously want rid of. Now we're at the point where we're at, or at least very near the top table, and we've had our best team for many a year and it's been probably our most settled as a result. Improving it becomes more difficult, especially when you're financially weaker than other teams around you, but there is also probably an element of being unsure as to whether you should be looking to make any real changes to the squad if they're performing and have a good age profile and room to improve still. And, like Poch, this goes with selling players too who have brought some relative success, when you always have the question mark of will a new signing come in and ultimately pick up where was left off.
So I honestly do think a lot of it is down to Poch and Levy getting into a situation which they haven't encountered or experienced before and not known how to tread the path. I don't think it's negligence, and I wouldn't either bemoan wasting the last 5 years. You never have 'it' bottled, managing and running a football club is always an ongoing process with bumps in the road. At this point we look like we've struggled to transition from one point in time to the next, and we can easily take steps forward again if we get enough things right.
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