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[Hakkz]

16/17 season still leaves me so bittersweet. That would have won the EPL 11 times in other seasons. Timing is everything I suppose

Imagine what Liverpool feel like..

 

[Hakkz]

I have already nailed my colours to the mask, which is i want Poch to turn it around starting Saturday. But I really cannot believe overall that Daniel Levy is getting such an easy ride. Poch obviously has his flaws, and majority have aired them on here. But Daniel Levy and Joe Lewis are the main culprits behind what you are seeing now.

getting another manager will not change anything imho. They would simply go for a glove-puppet.

Considering that none of those two will move, what do you suggest we do?

 

[JayB]

I have already nailed my colours to the mask, which is i want Poch to turn it around starting Saturday. But I really cannot believe overall that Daniel Levy is getting such an easy ride. Poch obviously has his flaws, and majority have aired them on here. But Daniel Levy and Joe Lewis are the main culprits behind what you are seeing now.

getting another manager will not change anything imho. They would simply go for a glove-puppet.

I think part of the lack of criticism stems from not knowing exactly who is responsible for our failures in the transfer market in recent years. Our recruitment was awful for years leading up to the summer of 2018, to the extent that it is understandable why Poch would have put his foot down and demanded he not be given any more Njies, Nkoudous, Auriers etc. to work with.

So on the one hand you have years' worth of second-rate bargain bin punts that didn't work out (seems like a Levy problem), and on the other you have Poch's seeming stubbornness paralyzing us from bringing in new players at a crucial moment. It's all a huge mess and impossible to sort out who is responsible for what from the outside.

When the results start to suffer it's easy to blame Poch, thinking "Oh, he turned his nose up at the likes of Tielemans, Olmo and Berge, look where it's gotten us" without stopping to think about Levy's role in why he came to a point where he was so stubborn. There's definitely blame to be shared by both sides and emotion and lack of information make it easy to lash out at the manager, who's the face of the team.

 

[Hercules]

I think part of the lack of criticism stems from not knowing exactly who is responsible for our failures in the transfer market in recent years. Our recruitment was awful for years leading up to the summer of 2018, to the extent that it is understandable why Poch would have put his foot down and demanded he not be given any more Njies, Nkoudous, Auriers etc. to work with.

So on the one hand you have years' worth of second-rate bargain bin punts that didn't work out (seems like a Levy problem), and on the other you have Poch's seeming stubbornness paralyzing us from bringing in new players at a crucial moment. It's all a huge mess and impossible to sort out who is responsible for what from the outside.

When the results start to suffer it's easy to blame Poch, thinking "Oh, he turned his nose up at the likes of Tielemans, Olmo and Berge, look where it's gotten us" without stopping to think about Levy's role in why he came to a point where he was so stubborn. There's definitely blame to be shared by both sides and emotion and lack of information make it easy to lash out at the manager, who's the face of the team.

Very good, balanced, and considered post

 

[Ben1]

Getting angry at an owner, will 99% of the time, lead to nothing happening! Utd, Newcastle, Arsenal, lesser teams like hull, they've been at it for ages, nothing.

You almost have to accept the owner and the manager has to work under that. If you want change, it's coming from the manager or players, because owners, rightly or wrongly, don't change.

 

[wadewill]

I know, I know....

1/3 on Betfair is incredibly short for Jose now.

Sorry ?

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

If we don’t get top 4 the summer could be very ugly. I think we’d be better off getting a manager now as it’s going to be hard to attract big names without any European football let alone no champions league.

Not necessarily. We have always spent money and budgeted our usual business away from the need for Champions League revenue. We will still be one of the biggest clubs in the worlds biggest league and there will be players playing at lesser clubs who could step up and do something important for us. The issue would probably come from interest from other clubs but if Leicester have been able to sign the likes of Ndidi, Ricardo, Soyuncu, Tielemans etc with no European football why shouldnt we when we've been safeguarding all of our extra revenue not be able to do the same?

I'm sure the likes of Onana, Atal, Konate, Soumare, Berge, Grealish if Villa go down, possibly Zakaria would see the difference a few new faces could make to our nucleus. The main thing would be to keep the bulk of important players together to do so but we've never allowed our expenditure to be reliant on Champions League football and it was inevitable with 6-7 really good teams in the Prem that one day we would fall out of the top 4 slots so I don't see why, with £300m in retained earnings we should in theory fall backwards.

We have always been at the bottom of the pile when it comes to the top teams and how we appeal to targets. Saliba chose Arsenal over Spurs so I don't think our ability to attract will get smashed because of top 4, there's still plenty of talent playing at clubs presently who would see THFC as a step up. Lille, Nice, Salzburg, Lyon probably, Atalanta, Monchengladbach we still have a great appeal for the right talent,

 

[sausage]

I have already nailed my colours to the mask, which is i want Poch to turn it around starting Saturday. But I really cannot believe overall that Daniel Levy is getting such an easy ride. Poch obviously has his flaws, and majority have aired them on here. But Daniel Levy and Joe Lewis are the main culprits behind what you are seeing now.

getting another manager will not change anything imho. They would simply go for a glove-puppet.

The main frustration from fans has been stubborn tactics, odd team selections, things he's said in press conferences, dropping Moura etc. I'm not sure how (without stretching hugely) that culpability lies with anyone but Poch and his team.

That's been the main source of the discussion - if anyone wants to hypothesise why DL/JL are to blame for the formations, substitutions and team selections that have been getting people's backs up then I'm sure people will discuss as appropriate.

 

[Dirtysanchez6]

I have already nailed my colours to the mask, which is i want Poch to turn it around starting Saturday. But I really cannot believe overall that Daniel Levy is getting such an easy ride. Poch obviously has his flaws, and majority have aired them on here. But Daniel Levy and Joe Lewis are the main culprits behind what you are seeing now.

getting another manager will not change anything imho. They would simply go for a glove-puppet.

I get what your saying here herc but have you seen our performances lately ? I’d be worried if a new manager couldn’t change them ! You can’t tell me another manager even with restrictions would be getting 25 points from 75 and no away win in 9 months

 

[spursfan77]

Hytner maybe a gooner but he’s good on us. I think this is probably an accurate position of the current situation. With the final paragraph being a good summary:

“ There is the sense at Spurs that everybody is praying for an upturn, beginning at West Ham on Saturday, which might allow them to battle on until the summer when a full reboot could take place, under Pochettino or another manager. Results will drive the situation. Pochettino is on the tightest of spots.”

Pochettino the furious fall guy for Tottenham’s clogged exit route | David Hytner

Mauricio Pochettino’s frustrations with Tottenham’s slow player turnover boiled over this summer, leading to his eventual departure

www.theguardian.com

 

[DCSPUR]

I have already nailed my colours to the mask, which is i want Poch to turn it around starting Saturday. But I really cannot believe overall that Daniel Levy is getting such an easy ride. Poch obviously has his flaws, and majority have aired them on here. But Daniel Levy and Joe Lewis are the main culprits behind what you are seeing now.

getting another manager will not change anything imho. They would simply go for a glove-puppet.

feel like part of the reason for this is that a lot of ITK (not from you) has certainly been dripping out of the club in a way that systematically undercuts Poch and absolves Levy. It has influenced the tenor of the discussion here and, to a lesser degree, elsewhere on social media.

As @Archibald&Crooks succinctly noted earlier, the terrible decision by Levy to not buy anyone 2 summers ago along with related spending, has left us with a squad that is a mess. My sense is that the group is just drained with 2 years away, under investment and unlucky with injuries.

IF Levy sacks Poch it will be to cover himself but it will probably cost 30+ million and then a budget for a new coach and players....not sure what the point would be in all honesty.

 

[dirtyh]

It's been said before and will be said again. If you're successful on the pitch, everything else just falls into place. Why enic and baldy don't get this is beyond me, especially as the relative austerity we've enjoyed the past few seasons have largely been off the back of on the pitch results. In my heart of hearts i know levy's done wonders here but it's always been done with an eye on the financials as opposed to the pitch. Hence if we ever do win anything again, unless the business model changes it'll be via another bale-like superstar or just by blind luck, not by risking anything to go that extra step. Getting yet another glove puppet is pointless, may as well stick with poch if we're not aiming for a winner (they're always abrasive, that's what makes them winners) manager.

If i was lewis, fuk me, i'd be putting everything into making this team a world beater.

 

[SpursSince1980]

How we line up on Saturday will be telling. If Poch goes back to playing players who are doing poorly, and sticking with an ineffective formation, then I guess he's essentially singing: 'I did it my way'.

What I'd love to see on Saturday, is something that feels fresh. Something the players can get a little bit excited about. Get all of the three new signings involved. Consider going to a 433 to get the best out of Kane.

Just try something different. But relying on the likes of Dele, Dier, Aurier, Sissoko and Rose to save your job, is absurd.

What can't be denied, is that this is a super-tricky situation for the whole club. I think that's why Saturday is so important. 'Cos if we lose, it more-or-less spells out disaster for this season. IE: No top 4. No CL. And probably no more Sonny or Kane. So, Levy may have to bite the $$ bullet and fire Poch, pay the remaining contracts out and throw a bucket of money at Maureen. All in the hope that he might be able to turn the team around and can attempt to get us back into the top4 this season.

Essentially it's a question of math... How much money will we lose with no CL qualification? Versus what it will cost to fire Poch et al, plus hire Jose? It becomes a gamble. Spend $25M now, and hope that the new man can get into the top 4, and therefore access to CL money. Or spend the 25M, no top four, and we also will miss out on something between 50M to 104M.

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

It's been said before and will be said again. If you're successful on the pitch, everything else just falls into place. Why enic and baldy don't get this is beyond me, especially as the relative austerity we've enjoyed the past few seasons have largely been off the back of on the pitch results. In my heart of hearts i know levy's done wonders here but it's always been done with an eye on the financials as opposed to the pitch. Hence if we ever do win anything again, unless the business model changes it'll be via another bale-like superstar or just by blind luck, not by risking anything to go that extra step. Getting yet another glove puppet is pointless, may as well stick with poch if we're not aiming for a winner (they're always abrasive, that's what makes them winners) manager.

If i was lewis, fuk me, i'd be putting everything into making this team a world beater.

We've made it to 5 cup finals under the ENIC reign and qualified for Europe 14 out of 15 seasons. There was a large contingent of people that looked at our staring XI when it was peak Poch years who said it was extremely difficult to attract talent that would have made us better back then so at what point does the buck stop with those XI out on the pitch for those final games we have lost?

 

[dirtyh]

We've made it to 5 cup finals under the ENIC reign and qualified for Europe 14 out of 15 seasons. There was a large contingent of people that looked at our staring XI when it was peak Poch years who said it was extremely difficult to attract talent that would have made us better back then so at what point does the buck stop with those XI out on the pitch for those final games we have lost?

it's a very good point but what we seem to do when things go against us is reboot and retry, often taking years in the process rather than see the bigger picture and act on a consistent basis. What we've stopped doing in the past few years is to keep trickling hungry fresh faces into the squad on a regular basis which keeps everything from becoming as stale as it is now. the scum, chavs, pool, united, etc have all lost numerous finals/big games over the past years but they keep evolving and build on it where we seem to see it as an endpoint. if you picked semi-finalists/finalists of all of the cups over the time we've been competing, it would still be a surprise to see us there whereas even when they're supposedly bad, our rivals still seem to make it to finals and win silverware. This is the step that we need to take, regardless of how we do it.

 

[Deleted member 29446]

How we line up on Saturday will be telling. If Poch goes back to playing players who are doing poorly, and sticking with an ineffective formation, then I guess he's essentially singing: 'I did it my way'.

Oh ffs. How we line up on Saturday doesn't matter.

Fans got what they wanted against SU and it didn't help at all.

Doesn't matter who we play, it's the players who decide if they wanna perform or not.

And they clearly won't atm, and that's Poch problem alone.

 

[Joeyboey]

My take is that it’s all about money. Classic Levy brinkmanship. He wants Poch gone but is too stubborn to pay him off and would rather save 12million than see an upturn.

Bank balance vs results on the pitch and bank balance is winning once again.

As for our transfer strategy over the last 3/4 years. Both Poch and Levy should hang their heads in shame.

 

[Teddy Klinsmann]

GONE

 

[SpursSince1980]

GONE

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[gushayes11]

Gone.