Next Spurs Manager (No longer with groundbreaking 'Change vote' functionality)

Who do you want as next Spurs manager?

  • Allegri

    Votes: 214 21.5%
  • Mourinho

    Votes: 258 25.9%
  • Wenger

    Votes: 9 0.9%
  • Pleat

    Votes: 4 0.4%
  • Ten Hag

    Votes: 54 5.4%
  • Wagner

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Howe

    Votes: 36 3.6%
  • Nagelsmann

    Votes: 75 7.5%
  • Other (explain)

    Votes: 16 1.6%
  • Keep Poch (lol)

    Votes: 166 16.6%
  • Rodgers

    Votes: 49 4.9%
  • de Boer (Poch mk2)

    Votes: 3 0.3%
  • Benitez

    Votes: 50 5.0%
  • Sherwood

    Votes: 6 0.6%
  • Bus-Conductor

    Votes: 26 2.6%
  • Goat (ffs)

    Votes: 6 0.6%
  • WalkerBoyUK’s lad’s u14 coach

    Votes: 8 0.8%
  • Sissoko

    Votes: 7 0.7%
  • Marco Rose

    Votes: 4 0.4%
  • freeeki

    Votes: 5 0.5%

  • Total voters
    997
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Metalhead

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Based on his Bournemouth side being distinctly average, and any success they have is down to massive shithousery. Its like when Moyes had 10 years of "stability" at Everton, with one good season where they got 4th. Everyone misinterpreted that as he'd be good at a big club. And when he got his opportunity at Man Utd he was out of his depth. Man Utd are still reeling from that season.

At the moment, Pochettino is overseeing a mediocre, probably mid table season. You ain't improving that with someone like Howe.

If you're going to have to hire a new manager, after half a decade of a manager who has established us as a Champions League side, then you need to go larger. All in for Jose imo.
I tend to agree that Howe would be a big risk but you are being well harsh about Bournemouth. They are doing massively well for a club their size.
 

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In fairness to Baldilocks, his history of appointing managers is pretty strong. There are only one or two instances where you could say we downgraded.

- Hoddle TERRIBLE
- Santini JOKER
- Jol - a downgrade on Santini at the time, on paper, but surpassed expectations
- Ramos - an upgrade on paper FUCK OFF
- Redknapp
- AVB - see Ramos ****
- Sherwood - a downgrade WHAT?
- Pochettino
It is fucking strong to be fair.
 
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I tend to agree that Howe would be a big risk but you are being well harsh about Bournemouth. They are doing massively well for a club their size.
Yeah, he did absolutely brilliantly well with what they've done. Absolutely not undermining that at all.
 

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Think you're being harsh on Howe. He took Bournemouth from League two to the Prem and doesn't appear to have huge funding behind him. His team play good football and are now a steady Prem side. Not sure what more he could at Bournemouth.

Whether he is the right manager for a bigger club I have no idea. Some managers are right for one level but not another. Same as I believe Pep is very good at working with top level players but is probably not right for lower clubs.

But essentially it is possible to say Howe isn't right for a top club without writing off what he has done at Bournemouth.
Yeah agree. I think Howe is a good manager and I like watching Bournemouth, but they do get thrashed quite a lot, as well as pulling off some good results against better teams.

Ultimately though, managing a club like Bournemouth where your only remit is staying in the PL is a massive difference from managing a big club with expectations.

Of course, some will say “how do we know until he’s given the opportunity”, but we’re past that suck it and see approach for me and need to decide whether we’re serious about competing for trophies ( and also retaining our best players).

Unfortunately, I can see him being appointed as he won’t make a fuss and have too many demands.
 
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It is fucking strong to be fair.
Hmm... I'd say he's 50/50. Santini was a disaster, and he lucked out with Jol. Ramos was a disaster, and he lucked out with Harry after he was brought in to steady the ship. AVB and Dim were both cataclysmic.

Poch was a gamble, but a measured one, and his whole tenure has felt tightly controlled.
 

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One thing is for sure, whoever gets the job next will tell us everything we need to know about Daniel Dinklage. Mourinho will show some ambition, Howe will show its all about another 'project' and winning things isn't a priority and Hughton as caretaker will show that we haven't got a fucking clue. Anyone but a proven winner and I don't see how anyone defending Levy can, at the same time, complain about not winning things, we just have to accept we're not about that because it'd be obvious the owners aren't either.

Just for a change get someone in with gravitas, someone who's won things and lets see how it pans out.
It's the most important decision of his tenure..........until the next one
 

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Yeah agree. I think Howe is a good manager and I like watching Bournemouth, but they do get thrashed quite a lot, as well as pulling off some good results against better teams.

Ultimately though, managing a club like Bournemouth where your only remit is staying in the PL is a massive difference from managing a big club with expectations.

Of course, some will say “how do we know until he’s given the opportunity”, but we’re past that suck it and see approach for me and need to decide whether we’re serious about competing for trophies ( and also retaining our best players).

Unfortunately, I can see him being appointed as he won’t make a fuss and have too many demands.
I think Levy and Lewis would prefer to go for Nagelsmann over Howe personally.
 

dagraham

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In fairness to Baldilocks, his history of appointing managers is pretty strong. There are only one or two instances where you could say we downgraded.

- Hoddle
- Santini
- Jol - a downgrade on Santini at the time, on paper, but surpassed expectations
- Ramos - an upgrade on paper
- Redknapp
- AVB - see Ramos
- Sherwood - a downgrade
- Pochettino

You would hope that, wherever we go from here, we would look to appoint someone who is a clear upgrade to Pochettino on paper, such as Ancelotti, Mourinho or Allegri.

Nagelsmann and Howe are great managers and in reality could do a great job here, but they're also more potential than finished product, which I'm not certain is what we need right now. We could essentially be stepping back to 2014 with that kind of appointment, in theory.
Depends how you look at it. I still haven’t forgotten the year or so of Pleat as caretaker ( even though I like Pleat that is a record for any club having a caretaker manager). And at the end of all that the best we could do was Santini who had the charisma of a wet fish and was a complete disaster.

And although Ramos was an upgrade on paper ( and he won us a trophy), it didn’t exactly go well.

I also disagree that AVB was an upgrade on Redknapp, despite his success at Porto.
 

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It's a shame Nagelsmann or Rose almost definitely wouldn't want to join if Poch does go, especially as they're both doing so well in new jobs already. They both seem interesting to me based on a couple bits I've read/watched. Poch seems all-Spursed out. Our destiny is to fail, as fans we are hampered with it - as a manager, he doesn't necessarily have to cling to that inevitability his whole career.

I can't imagine Levy actually sacking him, though. Seems like they're pals to me, but Levy is probably a right bastard in the board room I guess.
 

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Hmm... I'd say he's 50/50. Santini was a disaster, and he lucked out with Jol. Ramos was a disaster, and he lucked out with Harry after he was brought in to steady the ship. AVB and Dim were both cataclysmic.

Poch was a gamble, but a measured one, and his whole tenure has felt tightly controlled.
Yeah I was jesting. It's not even close to 50/50 in my view, Poch has been the first manager that the little bald **** has appointed who was a success and one he could take credit for. As you said, Jol and Redknapp were lucky appointments. Levy is a fucking ****.
 
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Yeah I was jesting. It's not even close to 50/50 in my view, Poch has been the first manager that the little bald **** has appointed who was a success and one he could take credit for. As you said, Jol and Redknapp were lucky appointments. Levy is a fucking ****.
Are you this chap?

 

dagraham

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Hmm... I'd say he's 50/50. Santini was a disaster, and he lucked out with Jol. Ramos was a disaster, and he lucked out with Harry after he was brought in to steady the ship. AVB and Dim were both cataclysmic.

Poch was a gamble, but a measured one, and his whole tenure has felt tightly controlled.
Yeah there is worrying pattern there. Although I feel justifiably it’s the end of the road for Poch, the next move has to be considered carefully and any new manager should be brought in for the right reasons and given the tools and environment to succeed. Not just to be Levy and Lewis’s puppet.
 

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Yeah agree. I think Howe is a good manager and I like watching Bournemouth, but they do get thrashed quite a lot, as well as pulling off some good results against better teams.

Ultimately though, managing a club like Bournemouth where your only remit is staying in the PL is a massive difference from managing a big club with expectations.

Of course, some will say “how do we know until he’s given the opportunity”, but we’re past that suck it and see approach for me and need to decide whether we’re serious about competing for trophies ( and also retaining our best players).

Unfortunately, I can see him being appointed as he won’t make a fuss and have too many demands.
I do wonder what criteria chairmen use when hiring managers. Looking at our managers since Levy took over I believe a strong part of the reasons were as follows:

Hoddle: Graham was unpopular and Hoddle had a good management record and is a club legend.

Santini: Arnesen hiring based on a wealth of experience and a league title.

Jol: good coach who the players had responded to.

Ramos: Comolli hiring on a manager who had won two Uefa cups and had done well in the league.

Redknapp: were in a relegation battle and needed a manager who knew the league well.

AVB: a young, forward thinking manager who had won 3 trophies in one season in Portugal.

Poch: a coach who had done well at Southampton and appeared to do well with young players.

So looking at our hiring under Levy I would say Santini, Ramos and AVB have been our worst hires. So Levy might be safest not looking abroad.

I do think it's important to look at the playing personnel and determine which manager would fit the players. Are we in definite need of an overhaul or under a new manager could some of our players stay and start performing again?

If players might stay then a manager who works well with high level, experienced players like Jose could work.

If we need an overhaul then it is an extremely difficult job whoever takes over. Seeing over an overhaul almost always leads to a firing after the hard work is done.
 
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Interesting to see Nagelsmann's name featuring in all three pieces and Times running with him as the main story. He's from Bavaria, he's rated by Bayern's top brass. He just started a job in one of the most innovative places in club football right now. And he's doing a pretty good job there.

Premier League is a bigger league and we are a bigger club than Leipzig, but seriously, moving to us right now or even in the summer makes little sense for him.
 

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I'm not a fan at all of this revisionism with Bournemouth and Eddie ****ing Howe. Have people forgotten the dodgy Russian owner with the mansion in Sandbanks and the roughly 6th highest net spend in the Premier League over the last 5 years with a stadium that holds about 7000 people?

Poch's job at Spurs shits on the one Howe has done at Bournemouth, he's a fucking shyster who gets credit for being nothing other than English and his teams get absolutely humped far too often for someone who knows his arse from his ****. I hope they get relegated and go out of business.
 

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But it was Poch who vetoed moves in the 'Summer of Sweet Fuck All '18' right?

Emphasis of it being Levy's fault now is simplifying the situation and affording Poch far too much slack.
 

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So looking at our hiring under Levy I would say Santini, Ramos and AVB have been our worst hires. So Levy might be safest not looking abroad.

I do think it's important to look at the playing personnel and determine which manager would fit the players. Are we in definite need of an overhaul or under a new manager could some of our players stay and start performing again?

If players might stay then a manager who works well with high level, experienced players like Jose could work.

If we need an overhaul then it is an extremely difficult job whoever takes over. Seeing over an overhaul almost always leads to a firing after the hard work is done.
Totally agree, unless of course they have previous experience of the PL that went well ( unlike AVB). We’ve been burnt before with the flavour of the month young foreign coach with good potential.

I still think Benitez might be an option.
 
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How about the ones Pochettino apparently wanted that we didn't go for? Lallana, Schneiderlin, Berahino. Is it the chairmans fault we went for Aurier over Ricardo or Grealish over Maddison? I mean our chairman did go out and get over £100m of incomings the summer 2017 and nearly £150m of incomings this summer pending the Lo Celso deal.
Schneirdelin, when considering leaving Southampton, wouldn't entertain any interest from Tottenham. He or his agent let it be known that for him it would be a choice between two European Champions League club regulars, Arsenal and Manchester United. He went to United, got relatively few games there over a couple of seasons and later moved to Everton where he's faded there too. He, like Adam Lallana, had flourished at Southampton. There's a little section devoted to Lallana in the Pochettino book, Brave New World, though Lallana was one of that little clump of players that signed for Liverpool.

Berahino is a bullet that has been dodged by Spurs. Although Daniel Levy did try to sign him, a stand-off ensued with management at West Bromwich Albion despite all having agreed a price of about £25m. The trouble was that they wanted the fee paid in something nearer to one lump than the usual transfer arrangement of payment in instalments. Not long after, the people at WBA had been pushed out. That club suffered in the process. Retired footballer Glen Johnson told Talksport radio a few months ago that Berahino was one of the worst players he'd shared a dressing room with. This made headlines, so it can be traced online. And that's even before you might consider the £75,000 in traffic speeding fines and costs that were the subject of a hearing last month at Willesden Magistrates Court.

Some players who might have been signed by Levy have very occasionally been frustrating to have missed out on, but then he turns out to have signed better. And recruiting Pochettino as his circumstances changed has proved to be the most inspired signing we could have made from Southampton.
 

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But it was Poch who vetoed moves in the 'Summer of Sweet Fuck All '18' right?

Emphasis of it being Levy's fault now is simplifying the situation and affording Poch far too much slack.
Maybe he vetoed binging in players that would have prevented us getting Ndombele and Lo Celso.
 
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