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[coys200]

I really don’t want to sound over dramatic but a blind loyalty to Pochettino could be very dangerous and easily see us skirt with relegation. If we did lose to West Ham we’d be 17th and could be 2pts off. Also this season I don’t think you have 3 obviously awful teams. I don’t think Watford and Southampton are that bad. Do I think we could go down ? probably not but the straight facts are 25 pts from 24 games. I certainly wouldn’t like to go into the new year within 5 points of drop anything could happen. I just wonder if Levy mindset is to let Pochettino rebuild and what point he’d really panic.

 

[Shadydan]

I really don’t want to sound over dramatic but a blind loyalty to Pochettino could be very dangerous and easily see us skirt with relegation. If we did lose to West Ham we’d be 17th and could be 2pts off. Also this season I don’t think you have 3 obviously awful teams. I don’t think Watford and Southampton are that bad. Do I think we could go down ? probably not but the straight facts are 25 pts from 24 games. I certainly wouldn’t like to go into the new year within 5 points of drop anything could happen. I just wonder if Levy mindset is to let Pochettino rebuild and what point he’d really panic.

No worries 5 points off the drop would have been 10 points 2 years ago so even if we went down this year we'd have stayed up 2 years ago.

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

How much are the parachute payments worth these days?

Asking for a (short, bald) friend...

 

[WiganSpur]

Ally G is the spin doctor of the club to the outside.

I wouldn't take anything he says regarding Poch's future as a fact.

They’re not gonna brief that he’s getting the sack before the West Ham game. Can’t see what good that would do. I suspect things will change quickly if West Ham give us a gubbing

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

How much are the parachute payments worth these days?

Asking for a (short, bald) friend...

100 millions over 3 years max I think.

 

[dontcallme]

Okay, so there are couple of things in here. The first is to point out that this is a column, so the lack of quotes isn't particularly surprising or revealing as to the veracity of the piece.

The second is that Ally Gold is an independent journalist, well-connected to the club, not an official spokesperson. The relationship between a journalist and his sources is symbiotic. If the club were just using him to 'spin' this would become apparent to Ally very quickly and he would stop using them - it is not (usually) a good look for a journalist to get everything repeatedly wrong. I've never met Ally, but from his work I'd say he has enough professionaly pride and good sense not to be exploited by the club. It works the other way too, journalists that are hostile to the club would not be afforded as much access - so it is right to take it with a pinch of salt, like all things, but to dismiss it outright is wrong.

Having worked as a journalist, with lots of other journalists, I have seen and experienced all this first hand.

Having read the piece, it portrays a 'business as usual' picture of the club during international week and attempts to squash a few of the social media rumours. My guess is that there is a strong will to give Pochettino the time he deserves to right the ship. Reading between the lines, the West Ham game may be significant but it seems that he will remain the manager unless things decline further. It very much appears that the intention is to give him the January window to make some changes to the squad, if at all possible. It's all just opinion though, for now.

Not sure why you quoted me as I said quotes aren’t important for truth, the source is.

Ally is a good writer and seems to work within the club. But he comes across as more of a mouth piece for the club rather than a journalist giving a true picture.

As a journalist you should know that being too close to your source can be detrimental when trying to be objective.

 

[NEVILLEB]

Or they'll look at the money had available, see who he turned down, and conclude he's mental

There’s no way of knowing what decisions he made.

 

[sausage]

There’s no way of knowing what decisions he made.

If you go by the ITK, his book etc you can get a good idea though

Edit - as some people are a bit dense here, you know what decisions he made when he writes about it himself in a book...

 

[BuckeyeSpurs11]

If the club acts as other large business entities, corporations, organizations do then they would message test by leaking to the media to see how the fanbase (customer base) responds so I think they would actually give a few crumbs to Ally to see the result of it.

 

[Hakkz]

If the club acts as other large business entities, corporations, organizations do then they would message test by leaking to the media to see how the fanbase (customer base) responds so I think they would actually give a few crumbs to Ally to see the result of it.

To keep his relations with the club, I can't see him writing anything the club haven't approved. So yeah, seems reasonable.

 

[jimbo]

That's not a column at all. A column, if you have worked as a journo you'd know this, most often and almost exclusively in the UK, contains the columnist's opinions, and is undoubtedly presented as such. This "column" is not at all presented as if the columnist's desire is to share subjective musings with the reader. An actual column btw. can in fact very much contain quotes, when the subject is handled in such a way that the columnist is trying to suggest having inside knowledge about the subject matter.

It's pitched as column, yes a column can contain quotes but it doesn't have to - that was my point. It doesn't need quotes to be worthy of consideration as genuine information, subject to salt as I said. The contents of a column can vary entirely depending on the editorial aims behind them. There is no hard and fast rule.

It's in the standfirst: "Here's the first instalment of a new weekly column from our Tottenham Hotspur reporter Alasdair Gold"

It's a column.

 

[jimbo]

Not sure why you quoted me as I said quotes aren’t important for truth, the source is.

Ally is a good writer and seems to work within the club. But he comes across as more of a mouth piece for the club rather than a journalist giving a true picture.

As a journalist you should know that being too close to your source can be detrimental when trying to be objective.

I quoted you because I agree with your view on the need for quotes.

I'm not a journalist anymore, thankfully, but yes it can. I believe Ally is close to the club, and that is likely to cloud his opion - all journalists are subject to their own biases etc. The fact that he's a Spurs fan also makes him likely to take a more positive view of the club.

In my opinion, that piece is interesting not because it's objective (I think we agree that it isn't) but because he is close enough to have a reasonably good idea what's going on. You can read a lot into what isn't said.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

It's pitched as column, yes a column can contain quotes but it doesn't have to - that was my point. It doesn't need quotes to be worthy of consideration as genuine information, subject to salt as I said. The contents of a column can vary entirely depending on the editorial aims behind them. There is no hard and fast rule.

It's in the standfirst: "Here's the first instalment of a new weekly column from our Tottenham Hotspur reporter Alasdair Gold"

It's a column.

Do you also read the evening standard only in the evening? Do you only have breakfast tea with your breakfast? This specific story is not a column. A column is predominantly a comment on current news for which the columnist is hired because the person has interesting, thoughtful, eloquent or provocative opinions or observations that many readers would enjoy reading. You know it is opinion because it is written as a presentation of subjective thoughts on a matter. That's a column, and it has been this way for a very long time. The content in the specific link that is being discussed very much do call for quotes, or otherwise its credibility is rightly questioned. Or maybe I misunderstand you and what you are arguing is that this is a poorly written column of very little importance. And in which case I would likely tend to agree.

 

[jimbo]

Do you also read the evening standard only in the evening? Do you only have breakfast tea with your breakfast? This specific story is not a column. A column is predominantly a comment on current news for which the columnist is hired because the person has interesting, thoughtful, eloquent or provocative opinions or observations that many readers would enjoy reading. You know it is opinion because it is written as a presentation of subjective thoughts on a matter. That's a column, and it has been this way for a very long time. The content in the specific link that is being discussed very much do call for quotes, or otherwise its credibility is rightly questioned. Or maybe I misunderstand you and what you are arguing is that this is a poorly written column of very little importance. And in which case I would likely tend to agree.

Insight:
"...supplemented by some of the younger players from the academy, including 16-year-old Spanish midfielder Yago Santiago who got his first taste of first team life last week."
"Their respective offices lie near each other in the same part of the building at the Enfield training complex and the pair will often chat at moments throughout the day. They walk past each other's offices regularly down the corridor."

Opinion:
"From a financial point of view it also makes no sense for the Argentine, however emotional, to walk away from what has been reported to be a £12m pay out if he was to be sacked, nor denying his trusted trio of coaches the payout they would get."
"Right now there appears to be no sense of an impending change among those within Tottenham..."

Whether you think it's a good or bad column, whether you think it's an important column or not, is subjective. I don't think it's a great column personally, it seems pretty transparent that the site needs content and getting a staffer to write some fluff with a provocative title and lots of embedded advertising is a cheap way to do that. I think it still offers some useful information, especially between the lines.

Are you agreeing that it's a column but you don't like it or think it's a good column?
Do you have something against Ally Gold or just Internet fluff pieces?

 

[Yiddo100]

New article with a whole load of nothingness really

 

[dricha1]

Why would the crisis talks happen now And not earlier in the international break? Not dismissing that the article is not the current situation but shouldn’t this have happened right after Sheff Utd?

 

[Wsussexspur]

New article with a whole load of nothingness really

The mail running with identical story as well. To me it all seems complete bollocks! It makes no sense what’s so ever to sack Potch after the West Ham game if we lose given we have just had a two week break which would have been the time to do it if they were going to sack him! Not after the game directly after the two week break

 

[SpursSince1980]

Why would the crisis talks happen now And not earlier in the international break? Not dismissing that the article is not the current situation but shouldn’t this have happened right after Sheff Utd?

You'd think. But rarely does logic or common sense apply when it comes to Spurs.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

We’re such a weird club. I mean, I love us, but fuck are we strange. We don’t seem to do things the easy way. We spent years and millions and millions of pounds developing a world class infrastructure, with facilities almost any club on the planet would die for.

Yet we manage to go two windows without signing anyone. We struggle to offload the ‘deadwood’. We can’t seem to make our mind up, or even recognise, what to do about the crisis on the pitch. And this is really important, more important than it’s ever been because we’re now reliant on Champions League revenue, yet cumulatively we’ve shown something resembling relegation form for at least 9 months. We have a manager with no consistent message to his players, staff, media or fans. We have reliable ITK telling us that at least one prominent member of the squad- who has a long term contract- is disaffected by Pochettino and his methods. How difficult is it to bite the bullet and fire Pochettino and his extensive staff? The millions we’re currently saving mean nothing if we fail to qualify for the Champions League, let alone the impact this will have on ambitious players like Son and Kane, as well the reduced exposure to the global brand of our club.

We have at least three senior players whose deals expire at the end of the season, and they’re still with us, training with the first team and taking up valuable match day places that might otherwise go to younger, hungrier players.

And to top it all, this spursfuckery is unfolding in front of TV cameras, who are documenting our weirdness for global consumption on a TV set near you soon!

 

[seppo]

The times now also reporting it on their back page for tomorrow. 3 sources in total now, right? There's definitely a lot of smoke. Slightly bricking it, as even though I had basically come to the realization that Poch needed to go, I still had some sort of underlying conviction that he'd pull through and produce results. I love the man, I really do.