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Saoirse

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Literally the only coherent, detailed communication the club have managed is that prices are going up by 40%. After that, everyone's left in the dark. Doesn't set a great tone.
 

thekneaf

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Jan 18, 2011
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We've waited long enough for the new stadium so a few more games won't matter in reality.

BUT, the problem is this lack of communication to the fans. They should be letting us know the same time as it hits the media. It's a lack of respect for us - oh the fans will just follow on, they've got no choice. I'm not going to the Fulham game at Wembley (family holiday commitments, but hush don't tell the club that), and I've seen what a low take up it is for this weekends game coming.

As it happens I think it's the club covering their arses, but we'll see I guess.

So the solution is journalists alerting the club that their planning on stirring the pot?

We already know the club has taken a backup option on Wembley. What's the news news here?
 

Roynie

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Oct 2, 2007
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It's spin. Just read the story, it's obvious from the wording.

THFC has taken up the option to play at Wembley, to cover eventualities. An option agreement means a payment to reserve the dates if they are required.

The press has spun this into stories that heavily imply that the matches will be played at Wembley. But 'A' does not indicate 'B'. All they've done is to cover their arses against something going wrong between now and 15 Sept. There is no commitment to play at Wembley.

They can't issue tickets for the Liverpool game until they've got the necessary certificates, the other events are "test events" so a "ticket" and nominal fee can be issued so you can gain the necessary accreditations.

There's a lot of fake accounts out there just trying to get a hysteria going. Again trying to get a negative atmosphere heading into the ground.

Completed not finished, as long as the green bit, the seats, dressing rooms and most of the public areas are complete and those that aren't are boarded off/made safe all the frilly stuff can be done after the match days.

1. @davidmatzdorf 's point: In a project such as this, you have to prepare for the worst scenario, specifically to avoid the risk of points deduction or a fine. That does NOT mean that we will have to take up the option, and the club would hope that it will end up being an unnecessary cost they have paid out for.

2. @fridgemagnet : You cannot sell tickets for the Liverpool game until the Entertainment Licence has been issued. The test events are on Invitation tickets, they not charging money for them.

As someone else said when you move into a new house it is rarely finished. I had a new house built 7 years ago and it was just a shell, i.e. no kitchen, or painting was done, but we still moved in and lived there! It's the same principle here. The ground won't be finished, but it will be safe and the finishing touches may well take a number of months, or in the case of my house years. Just painted the outside walls yellow and the front door will be blue when we get home from holiday - Blue and Yellow .... geddit?

PS My Avatar is a beach hut not my house! :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
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Lilbaz

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Apr 1, 2005
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Keep on hearing about lack of communication with the fans. What are they going to communicate? So far we plan on playing against liverpool on the 15th the club will only tell us if that changes. If not what are they going to say?

I know some of our fans need someone to hold their hands and tell them things are going to be ok but that is their mothers job not the clubs.
 
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Paolo10

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So season tickets are up, no signings during the window and now uncertainty over the already delayed stadium opening?

The stadium opening is the main thing most supporters are clinging on to this season after the disappointment of the window.

If it was in the media today and the club haven't said anything as yet, I'm not sure this is good news.

The Sun have been good with news from the club lately, let's hope this craic is just precautionary.
 

Lilbaz

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Literally the only coherent, detailed communication the club have managed is that prices are going up by 40%. After that, everyone's left in the dark. Doesn't set a great tone.

What would you like them to tell you?
 

DogsOfWar

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Jan 12, 2005
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How much does it cost to relay a pitch the size of Wembley? Has to be around a £1m. So thats £4m + they are wasting every season. How much does Wembley even earn from a concert? It can't be that much so relaying that pitch is a huge waste of money.

Concerts are actually their highest earner.

Saw some numbers a while back which equated to around £8 million a concert.
And record earnings, according to Wiki, for a single concert was Madonna at £9.4 million ($12 million).

It makes sense, as if you get a crowd of 60-70,000 all paying an average of £100 you're looking at £6-7 million straight away plus hospitality/food & drink/merchandise etc.
 

JCRD

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Last year I renovated my house, took a month longer than intended and at the time decided against moving back in until everything had been completed - im a bit OCD like that. I wanted things to be as perfect as possible.

I suspect Levy is the same and doesnt want an incomplete stadium which the worlds cameras will be placed on, Whilst frusrating id rather move in when things are done up rather than resembling a building site regardless. If that means waiting a couple of months then so be it, the project is an accelerated one and was always ambitious but the fact that we are even at this stage is still a success.
 

LexingtonSpurs

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Concerts are actually their highest earner.

Saw some numbers a while back which equated to around £8 million a concert.
And record earnings, according to Wiki, for a single concert was Madonna at £9.4 million ($12 million).

It makes sense, as if you get a crowd of 60-70,000 all paying an average of £100 you're looking at £6-7 million straight away plus hospitality/food & drink/merchandise etc.
But the stadium is not earning that...

The artist, or the management company is renting the stadium for a fee - and its not for the price of the tickets.
 

RuskyM

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The club are lucky that the team's worth it because fuck me has the communication been awful the last few months. To the Cullen/Poch debates to the lack of investment to tickets being inflated for a stadium that apparently isn't even ready, they're taking the piss.
 

davidmatzdorf

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Jun 7, 2004
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The club haven't told us which parts will be completed because they don't know. It's an ongoing development and a vastly complex one, so it's changing every week, as Mace redeploy labour to different jobs and as numerous deliveries of materials either do or do not arrive "just in time".

There's a list of targets on Mace's office wall that is the critical path stuff. That all has to be finished or the certificates don't get granted and the stadium doesn't open on 15 Sept. There's no way they are going to make that list public, because the press and the fans and the besserwissers would be all over it, preset agendas on display, over-analysing it, trotting out spurious "evidence" to prove what they want to prove and ramping up the usual pre-completion panic and nonsense.

The rest is optional. It doesn't dictate whether we play Liverpool in the new stadium. With the exception of the pitch, which is already pre-grown and just needs to be laid as soon as the substrate has been readied and they no longer have to run anything damaging across it, virtually everything that people point up as evidence that the stadium will be/won't be ready by 15 September is not on the critical path.

But the main thing is that no one knows what will be finished. It's a set of targets, some of which are essential, some of which are desirable and some of which are optional.
 

Spriggan

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Jun 15, 2012
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I agree.
The Rolling Stones crew need the best part of a week to build the stage, and the best part of a week to dismantle it all again.
I guess if the fixtures fall right with an international break, we could have a concert mid-season, but the big bands have schedules of their own - they are not necessarily going to go out of their way fit in with our precise window.

This. Concerts on this level are a major operation. The construction of the stage structure itself (known as "steel days") typically takes 3 days, depending on the size and complexity of the production. This part of the operation is handled by the local promoter and a local steel/scaffold company under the strict guidance of the artists tour production company. The touring component; stage set, lights, sounds, and back-line can take up to 2 days to complete, again dependent on the complexity of the production. Back in the day the major stadium acts would often tour with 2 separate sound and light systems and each one would leapfrog the other so the tour could stay cost effective, and didn't slow down due to stage build and production delay. This was/is especially true here in the states where the distance between major cities can be 500 - 1,000 miles!
Anyway, taking this thread off topic............
 

Yid-ol

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Jan 16, 2006
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We know there will be an u23 game there on the 27th we the price of tickets. We know that the money will be going to charity. The attendence will be announced next week.

The club is communicating.

But they haven't told us how many toilets were installed today or how many nails or screws were put in...... How are people mean to survive without this essential information!! :cautious::cautious:
 

Josiebyar

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So season tickets are up, no signings during the window and now uncertainty over the already delayed stadium opening?

The stadium opening is the main thing most supporters are clinging on to this season after the disappointment of the window.

If it was in the media today and the club haven't said anything as yet, I'm not sure this is good news.

The Sun have been good with news from the club lately, let's hope this craic is just precautionary.

Club would be doomed if it was expected to react to what Neil Ashton of The Sun has to say about the new stadium...
 
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