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Col_M

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Quite remarkable numbers. And all, I suspect on the very optimistic side. But even half that is amazing for that region.

what does the tri-borough region cover?
 

KirstyG

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Taken from the Planning Officers Report.
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These numbers are pretty impressive tbh. The projections and the way this can help local people is something the club should be applauded (even if they are milking it a bit). To be honest in some areas it probably underestimates it's impact i.e. local people's pride in an area and hearing good things about their area is also powerful especially for young kids. People chatting rubbish about the area you live in the area can have a really strong negative impact. Knowing that big stars/athletes etc coming to where you live (whether or not you see them), images of your place of birth being broadcast around the world etc. It's inspiring stuff imho.

I know as football fans it's sometimes its hard to think of anything but the success on the pitch, but the financial impacts and the memories beyond football and pride in local area that the stadium is helping to deliver is great. A football club, is a football club, but it's also an integral part to the overall community and potentially a power for good.
 

Wick3d

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Increasing events must surely be a positive to local businesses. I know traffic is horrendous but it’s London asp you expect that but the shops, bars, cafes and restaurants are buzzing on match days.
I just hope they better coordinate with TFL. Whoever decided to have a concert on the day the overground was closed is a moron.
 

SirHarryHotspur

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Not sure the club is even consulted for track work and closures at WHL as it seems to come under the control of Network Rail not TFL. The club has many times requested an extension of the Victoria Line into North Tottenham to give better transport links but has been turned down so far.

  • Network Rail manages and maintains most of the track and signals - London Overground is part of the National Rail network
 

Tezza1978

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Not sure the club is even consulted for track work and closures at WHL as it seems to come under the control of Network Rail not TFL. The club has many times requested an extension of the Victoria Line into North Tottenham to give better transport links but has been turned down so far.

  • Network Rail manages and maintains most of the track and signals - London Overground is part of the National Rail network
There is a single Vic line tunnel near the stadium apparently. Im sure I read that TFL said they would provide an extension but only if Spurs funded it in full (!). DL probably understandably said "no!"
 

alfie103

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There is a single Vic line tunnel near the stadium apparently. Im sure I read that TFL said they would provide an extension but only if Spurs funded it in full (!). DL probably understandably said "no!"

I think the TFL are right to do what they did
 

Wick3d

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Not sure the club is even consulted for track work and closures at WHL as it seems to come under the control of Network Rail not TFL. The club has many times requested an extension of the Victoria Line into North Tottenham to give better transport links but has been turned down so far.

  • Network Rail manages and maintains most of the track and signals - London Overground is part of the National Rail network
Well, they should make a case for being consulted as they can help with planning. It isn't particularly safe, and doesn't help that the majority of people will be using the Victoria line as well! It was built on the cheap, hence the tight tunnels. We hate building anything as a country.

The issue is money for the line extension. Any line extension wouldn't be that beneficial except for event days.
 

SirHarryHotspur

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An extension of the Victoria Line was talked about back in 2011 but considered that it did not "represent value" , of course with the stadium now a massive winner opinions may change.
From what I've read the tracks and service tunnel that take trains into Northumberland Park depot would need a considerable upgrade to carry passengers and not just empty trains but the tracks are there.

 

SirHarryHotspur

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Well, they should make a case for being consulted as they can help with planning. It isn't particularly safe, and doesn't help that the majority of people will be using the Victoria line as well! It was built on the cheap, hence the tight tunnels. We hate building anything as a country.

The issue is money for the line extension. Any line extension wouldn't be that beneficial except for event days.
Club may have been consulted on closures , we don't know but Network Rail may plan works up to a year in advance , i.e ordering materials etc. which could well be before any stadium events are planned.
 
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Wick3d

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An extension of the Victoria Line was talked about back in 2011 but considered that it did not "represent value" , of course with the stadium now a massive winner opinions may change.
From what I've read the tracks and service tunnel that take trains into Northumberland Park depot would need a considerable upgrade to carry passengers and not just empty trains but the tracks are there.

A viable Tube line from Northumberland Park would do wonders for the area. The area is rather deprived, and some injection of capital would be good, as there is nothing else in the works for the place. Lets hope they get Crossrail 2 going as well.

If it all works out, it only adds even more value to the club/stadium. Levy is a savvy man
 

SirHarryHotspur

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A viable Tube line from Northumberland Park would do wonders for the area. The area is rather deprived, and some injection of capital would be good, as there is nothing else in the works for the place. Lets hope they get Crossrail 2 going as well.

If it all works out, it only adds even more value to the club/stadium. Levy is a savvy man
It's been talked about for over 20 years , hopefully the London mayor and TFL will come up with the money sometime in the future .. David Lammy campaigned for it years ago and since this BBC story IKEA have come to the area and now gone.

 

Col_M

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There is a single Vic line tunnel near the stadium apparently. Im sure I read that TFL said they would provide an extension but only if Spurs funded it in full (!). DL probably understandably said "no!"

let’s get the Foreign Secretary on the case. He can be sacked afterwards for some underhanded deals but only after each stand has its own station.
 

Wick3d

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It's been talked about for over 20 years , hopefully the London mayor and TFL will come up with the money sometime in the future .. David Lammy campaigned for it years ago and since this BBC story IKEA have come to the area and now gone.

It really is stupid that we don't develop our infrastructure even more. Just look at the success of the Lizzy line.

Lammy could defo campaign for it harder or his office can, it is an easy win for him.
 

SirHarryHotspur

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It really is stupid that we don't develop our infrastructure even more. Just look at the success of the Lizzy line.

Lammy could defo campaign for it harder or his office can, it is an easy win for him.
All down to costs per mile , which for building underground are pretty high and where does the money come from , governments don't have money , the money they do get comes from taxation or borrowing which needs to be repaid.
The way the stadium has increased the economic impact on the area , I'm sure any outlay on improved transport links would soon show dividends for everyone not just the club.

 

Tezza1978

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An extension of the Victoria Line was talked about back in 2011 but considered that it did not "represent value" , of course with the stadium now a massive winner opinions may change.
From what I've read the tracks and service tunnel that take trains into Northumberland Park depot would need a considerable upgrade to carry passengers and not just empty trains but the tracks are there.

Referring back to my post about DL being told that Spurs would have to fund it themselves in full........as you have said this study was in 2011 , long before the number of events to be held at the new stadium was known.

I'm not remotely suggesting that the taxpayer should front up the cost of the line and Spurs get for free, but I do think that in the wider context of regeneration and supporting the community and the events it may now be justifiable for the govt to make a contribution with Spurs/ENIC paying the rest.

That link you shared mentions a conversation with Peter Hendy - he is a highly experienced and very well regarded person in the railway industry - and has just been appointed as a ministerial advisor to the new transport secretary Louise Haigh.....
 

RJR1949

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There are comments in the report to the effect that there’s been more disruption and anti social behaviour associated with boxing promotions than any other event at the stadium. One of the conditions attached to increasing the events is that there must never be more than 2 boxing events a year.
 

Wine Gum

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The Victoria Line will never be extended - it's been discussed to death on here before.

Crossrail 2 is the solution but that will not be completed in many of our Lifetime's.
 

Wick3d

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The Victoria Line will never be extended - it's been discussed to death on here before.

Crossrail 2 is the solution but that will not be completed in many of our Lifetime's.
Most of the lines already exist, the big issues are the new tunnels needed - plus the new interchange for Euston/St Pancras/King's Cross, which basically a new Bank. A station I hate with a passion. :LOL:
 

Wick3d

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There are comments in the report to the effect that there’s been more disruption and anti social behaviour associated with boxing promotions than any other event at the stadium. One of the conditions attached to increasing the events is that there must never be more than 2 boxing events a year.
Having been to Wembley for the boxing, the amount of fights I saw before and after the event was insane. The fellas all had the same profile as well :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: within a second they'd go shirtless whilst their partners would be screaming - I'd love to this as a nature documentary narrated by Attenborough. TV Gold. :LOL:
 
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