New Stadium Details And Discussions

[Goldman]

Quite liked the idea of 61k for obvious reasons. But I’m not surprised there was no sentiment originally for that choice of number, and that they are just trying to boost revenue wherever possible.

 

[Hengy1]

It’s nearly finished (finally)

 

[spursfan77]

Seems Claire Kober has quit at the council. I wonder how that will effect us?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/pol...-storm-over-corbynista-bullying-a3753066.html

These Momentum people sound fucking horrible.

 

[Saoirse]

Seems Claire Kober has quit at the council. I wonder how that will effect us?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/pol...-storm-over-corbynista-bullying-a3753066.html

These Momentum people sound fucking horrible.

Main thing is that we've probably rushed this capacity application before the new lot potentially object to it. The other impact is that the new council is likely to oppose new developments and generally prioritise preventing the gentrification of Tottenham. This could hurt our long-term ambitions somewhat - the NFL, for instance, would clearly rather start a franchise in New Hipster Tottenham than it's current state, not to mention anyone looking at a takeover of the club. But I doubt it'll be a major impact, it's not the biggest factor and the influence of Haringey councillors is ultimately limited.

I also think Momentum are being covered a little unfairly. There's definitely a nasty minority, but I bet the (obviously unacceptable) abuse she's received is nearly all from online Twitter trolls who aren't actually Momentum or Labour members. Their opposition to her has been political rather than personal and IMO that is perfectly reasonable. The HDV is an example of the same flawed ideology that bought us Carillion and has significant local opposition she really hasn't engaged with. She's been around far longer than most of these Momentum members and I personally think there's a bit of an entitled attitude at play - that she's been involved in Haringey forever, the HDV is a huge thing for her, and these more recent members and activists don't have the knowledge, experience or even the right to oppose her on it.

Also gotta remember the Standard is a Tory supporting paper and doesn't seem keen on actually covering what Momentum have said on this, they're not a neutral source unfortunately.

 

[spursfan77]

Main thing is that we've probably rushed this capacity application before the new lot potentially object to it. The other impact is that the new council is likely to oppose new developments and generally prioritise preventing the gentrification of Tottenham. This could hurt our long-term ambitions somewhat - the NFL, for instance, would clearly rather start a franchise in New Hipster Tottenham than it's current state, not to mention anyone looking at a takeover of the club. But I doubt it'll be a major impact, it's not the biggest factor and the influence of Haringey councillors is ultimately limited.

I also think Momentum are being covered a little unfairly. There's definitely a nasty minority, but I bet the (obviously unacceptable) abuse she's received is nearly all from online Twitter trolls who aren't actually Momentum or Labour members. Their opposition to her has been political rather than personal and IMO that is perfectly reasonable. The HDV is an example of the same flawed ideology that bought us Carillion and has significant local opposition she really hasn't engaged with. She's been around far longer than most of these Momentum members and I personally think there's a bit of an entitled attitude at play - that she's been involved in Haringey forever, the HDV is a huge thing for her, and these more recent members and activists don't have the knowledge, experience or even the right to oppose her on it.

Also gotta remember the Standard is a Tory supporting paper and doesn't seem keen on actually covering what Momentum have said on this, they're not a neutral source unfortunately.

no paper is a neutral source!

they are her words though, that cant be denied.

 

[Saoirse]

no paper is a neutral source!

they are her words though, that cant be denied.

But some are more neutral than others on specific issues

That's the whole point though. They only have her words, not the words of the people she's accusing of sexism and bullying - and pound to a penny the prominent examples of that have zero to do with Momentum.

 

[Lighty64]

Main thing is that we've probably rushed this capacity application before the new lot potentially object to it. The other impact is that the new council is likely to oppose new developments and generally prioritise preventing the gentrification of Tottenham. This could hurt our long-term ambitions somewhat - the NFL, for instance, would clearly rather start a franchise in New Hipster Tottenham than it's current state, not to mention anyone looking at a takeover of the club. But I doubt it'll be a major impact, it's not the biggest factor and the influence of Haringey councillors is ultimately limited.

I also think Momentum are being covered a little unfairly. There's definitely a nasty minority, but I bet the (obviously unacceptable) abuse she's received is nearly all from online Twitter trolls who aren't actually Momentum or Labour members. Their opposition to her has been political rather than personal and IMO that is perfectly reasonable. The HDV is an example of the same flawed ideology that bought us Carillion and has significant local opposition she really hasn't engaged with. She's been around far longer than most of these Momentum members and I personally think there's a bit of an entitled attitude at play - that she's been involved in Haringey forever, the HDV is a huge thing for her, and these more recent members and activists don't have the knowledge, experience or even the right to oppose her on it.

Also gotta remember the Standard is a Tory supporting paper and doesn't seem keen on actually covering what Momentum have said on this, they're not a neutral source unfortunately.

By the time the NFL want a franchise they might be voted out, especially if the development gets canned, there will be a lot of angry residents that will be living in homes they hoped they were going to be moved out of.

 

[Saoirse]

By the time the NFL want a franchise they might be voted out, especially if the development gets canned, there will be a lot of angry residents that will be living in homes they hoped they were going to be moved out of.

Odds of Labour losing Haringey would be very slim. They currently have 48 seats compared to 9 Lib Dems and everyone else combined (including the Tories, who in terms of votes are 4th behind the Greens) on 0. And the trend since then has been pro-Labour, especially in London. It all comes down to who controls the local Labour Party and that seems to be pretty decisively the left. Remember it's also possible that this new council does successfully achieve something for those residents, potentially with the help of a national Labour government.

 

[danielneeds]

By the time the NFL want a franchise they might be voted out, especially if the development gets canned, there will be a lot of angry residents that will be living in homes they hoped they were going to be moved out of.

Haringay is extremely unlikely vote a Tory council under any circumstances.

 

[markiespurs]

Haringay is extremely unlikely vote a Tory council in under any circumstances.

Exactly this

A snowflake has a better chance in hell than a Tory in Haringay

 

[worcestersauce]

Much more important to remain ideolgically pure than get results for the people you represent, muh easier to oppose what you don't like than actually achieve something for your electorate, could be the story of Corbyn's life and it sounds like it's taking precedence in Haringey too.

 

[Saoirse]

Much more important to remain ideolgically pure than get results for the people you represent, muh easier to oppose what you don't like than actually achieve something for your electorate, could be the story of Corbyn's life and it sounds like it's taking precedence in Haringey too.

Do we really believe the people of Haringey are going to be the ones to benefit from this though? We've seen the same story all over London. A flat in my area now costs nearly ten times what it did when my Dad moved there right at the end of the 80s. I'm working class and have no way in hell of being able to afford to live there. The council over in Haringey is now talking about it as "London’s next big growth opportunity" - presumably not growth fuelled by council tenants sticking around in the middle of their growth area. It's the same thing yet again - notably, they're promising merely that a minority of the development will have below-market value rents, which are still linked to that market value: a far cry from social housing and still more than capable of forcing people away once said market value increases. It may be ideologically poor, but I think the ideology of keeping at least some parts of our capital city for its working class inhabitants rather than surrendering to ever-increasing property prices is a worthwhile one.

 

[worcestersauce]

Do we really believe the people of Haringey are going to be the ones to benefit from this though? We've seen the same story all over London. A flat in my area now costs nearly ten times what it did when my Dad moved there right at the end of the 80s. I'm working class and have no way in hell of being able to afford to live there. The council over in Haringey is now talking about it as "London’s next big growth opportunity" - presumably not growth fuelled by council tenants sticking around in the middle of their growth area. It's the same thing yet again - notably, they're promising merely that a minority of the development will have below-market value rents, which are still linked to that market value: a far cry from social housing and still more than capable of forcing people away once said market value increases. It may be ideologically poor, but I think the ideology of keeping at least some parts of our capital city for its working class inhabitants rather than surrendering to ever-increasing property prices is a worthwhile one.

So the idea is to keep an area low class, low value and poor? I know the arguments about gentrification and all that but that is not the same thing as regeneration and what the opponents of this won't provide is regeneration which is good for the area.
Talking about it as the next big growth opportunity is good PR, it is about bringing in investment and Tottenham has had precious little of that over the years, I'm working class, I grew up in Tottenham, in a council house round the corner from this development and I couldn't afford to buy a house there when I got married and I'm in my sixties it's nothing new.
Honestly mate I am not on the side of the unacceptable face of capitalism I just know that currently there is a plan for Tottenham to build on but these people will take it away and replace it with nothing, just more of the same and that's what the residents voted unanimously against.

 

[Chris Flynn]

Do we really believe the people of Haringey are going to be the ones to benefit from this though? We've seen the same story all over London. A flat in my area now costs nearly ten times what it did when my Dad moved there right at the end of the 80s. I'm working class and have no way in hell of being able to afford to live there. The council over in Haringey is now talking about it as "London’s next big growth opportunity" - presumably not growth fuelled by council tenants sticking around in the middle of their growth area. It's the same thing yet again - notably, they're promising merely that a minority of the development will have below-market value rents, which are still linked to that market value: a far cry from social housing and still more than capable of forcing people away once said market value increases. It may be ideologically poor, but I think the ideology of keeping at least some parts of our capital city for its working class inhabitants rather than surrendering to ever-increasing property prices is a worthwhile one.

That's not a London problem, it's a national one. I'm in Brighton and it's the same

 

[mark87]

It’s nearly finished (finally)

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I hope not, there's no pitch for starters.

 

[Bulletspur]

Found these pics on SSC by a chap called rhuairi

https://imgur.com/a/xwcwJ

Awesome!

 

[HobbitSpur]

My thought is there is only a small specialist team tasked with installing the ring pieces - it is far too important to get them exactly right given the pressure they'll be under when the roof is up.
So one will go up every couple of days, as they have been - if there are 10? left, then that is another 20 days before any lift. Give or take. It can't be rushed.

Levy set the bar at roughly 1st Feb for the lift, and in the absence of any other measure, I guess we count the weeks from that point to the lift to work out how far we are behind, (or ahead of schedule.).

I read the first sentence in your post and for a second thought I was in the "Arsenal" thread.

 

[Deleted member 27855]

That's not a London problem, it's a national one. I'm in Brighton and it's the same

It's a global one. I live in Maryland and gentrification is a huge issue in DC. There are no easy solutions.

 

[shelfmonkey]

Seems Claire Kober has quit at the council. I wonder how that will effect us?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/pol...-storm-over-corbynista-bullying-a3753066.html

These Momentum people sound fucking horrible.

Well, Corbyn is a wrong 'un!!

 

[shelfmonkey]

So the idea is to keep an area low class, low value and poor? I know the arguments about gentrification and all that but that is not the same thing as regeneration and what the opponents of this won't provide is regeneration which is good for the area.
Talking about it as the next big growth opportunity is good PR, it is about bringing in investment and Tottenham has had precious little of that over the years, I'm working class, I grew up in Tottenham, in a council house round the corner from this development and I couldn't afford to buy a house there when I got married and I'm in my sixties it's nothing new.
Honestly mate I am not on the side of the unacceptable face of capitalism I just know that currently there is a plan for Tottenham to build on but these people will take it away and replace it with nothing, just more of the same and that's what the residents voted unanimously against.

Imagine what the future would be like if Corbyn gets in as PM!!!