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Mourinho says players "mentally died" after farcical VAR decision

ItsBoris

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On the game itself, I am at a loss to explain how poor we were at the back and in attack. We were okay from 18 to 18, but in both penalty areas we were awful and that in the end is where teams will be judged.

I watch SU play all the time and the way to beat them is to hit them on the counter at speed. I thought that is how we were set up but seeing Sissoko, Son, Aurier, Lamela slow the game down to let them get numbers back just played right into their hands. We are not a quick possession team in the final third although we did score a good one it is not a consistent type goal from us. United scored three excellent build up goals that we should be scoring with the quality of player we can put out.

As to Mourinho, he like a lot of managers has not evolved and is still judging himself on how he was at Porto, Chelsea and Inter. He left Inter in 2010. That is a very long time in football terms. The question is whether he can rediscover that edge he had when he was younger. I know he had success at Real and Man Utd, but with the players had had he should have won stuff. His real quality era as a coach was Porto to Inter. He used to make subs and tactical changes for those three teams that would win them games. He has yet to do that with us.

My fear is that some of our players see him as an old time coach in football terms which is how the likes of Wenger and to a degree Fergie and Van Gaal were judged at the end of their tenures. It happened in another time with Bill Nicolson, Matt Busby and Bill Shankly so why not with Mourinho?

Who'd be a Spurs fan?

Well he did take a Chelsea team that was in shambles under AVB and signed Willian, Fabregas, Matic, Pedro, Diego Costa, Zouma and won a title with them. And won the Europa league with United and took them to 2nd in the league. That wasn't that long ago
 

ginola007

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Well he did take a Chelsea team that was in shambles under AVB and signed Willian, Fabregas, Matic, Pedro, Diego Costa, Zouma and won a title with them. And won the Europa league with United and took them to 2nd in the league. That wasn't that long ago
Except that Levy has public announced he has no money for transfers unlike existing players are sold. That makes Jose a bad fit, if there's no money for him.
 

jolsnogross

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VAR is awful in my opinion, but it's in place and it's not going anywhere. It'll be interesting to see analysis of how teams fared after very marginal or poor VAR calls. We lost our heads away to Leicester when we were playing quite well and scored to go 2-0 up, only to have a very marginal toe offside decision.

Flakey players when it's still going on.
 

ItsBoris

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Except that Levy has public announced he has no money for transfers unlike existing players are sold. That makes Jose a bad fit, if there's no money for him.

Yeah and Levy is smart to say that so we don't get rinsed on player fees this summer. In reality we have made 250 million in profit after player dealings over the last 4 years and we have plenty of cash on hand (if you actually look at our financial statements).

So yeah I'm not buying that, but it's good if other clubs believe it. I think we could spend 100 million this summer pretty easily.
 

makeveli

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I agree that’s why I stopped watching when the goal got disallowed, we are weak we need leaders , Jose is right don’t understand why people still
Blame Jose , only he can find the players to make us hungry and ruthless , we need to forget about the Tottenham way as it just don’t work
 

UncleBuck

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No bottle. Mentally weak. Don’t know how Jose is meant to instill that into the players if it’s in the DNA.
We had it for a period which was amazing as we hadn’t seen it for years and it culminated in the Battle of the Bridge, we’ve never seen it since (CL 2nd leg excluded) and it’s almost like that defeat killed the squad mentally.
 

makeveli

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Poch was weak took us to last stages and thought he was clever and messed the team up, didn’t see it out, we need to be ruthless , we have never been a team like Fergie had or when Wenger has viera, we are way to soft
 

pangtong

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Fans need to stop hating the style , we need that style that Jose brings to achieve

Why though? Klopp and Pep don't need this style to achieve. Poch with a bit more investment wouldn't have needed this style to achieve.
 

Metalhead

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Well he did take a Chelsea team that was in shambles under AVB and signed Willian, Fabregas, Matic, Pedro, Diego Costa, Zouma and won a title with them. And won the Europa league with United and took them to 2nd in the league. That wasn't that long ago
Look at Ranieri - took Leicester to a title at, what, 64 or 65 years old? It wasn’t pretty but it was bloody effective.
 

Lifelong

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I agree that’s why I stopped watching when the goal got disallowed, we are weak we need leaders , Jose is right don’t understand why people still
Blame Jose , only he can find the players to make us hungry and ruthless , we need to forget about the Tottenham way as it just don’t work
This weak/frail mentality issue as been and undercurrent with this club for years and years. Yes we’ve had small periods where it’s not been so prevalent but its been hanging round this club for far to long regardless of who the manager is.
 

Trotter

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Had to be you didn't it :D
Of course, but then I know the laws and application of them after 20 years of training and applying them and getting to a very high level, instead of just trying to excuse every incident caused by a Spurs player as nothing, and every similar incident against us as the worst atrocity in mankind which is the norm here. Gallagher agreed on Sky Sports yesterday. yellow card purely because he looked at the player before hand, and was therefore reckless, otherwise would have just been a free kick, no card if he hadn’t.

it just did not meet any of the straight sending off criteria at all, but due to recklessness certainly justifiably a second yellow card could/should have been issued.
 
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Shadydan

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Of course, but then I know the laws and application of them after 20 years of training and applying them and getting to a very high level, instead of just trying to excuse every incident caused by a Spurs player as nothing, and every similar incident against us as the worst atrocity in mankind which is the norm here. Gallagher agreed on Sky Sports yesterday. yellow card purely because he looked at the player before hand, and was therefore reckless, otherwise would have just been a free kick, no card if he hadn’t.

it just did not meet any of the straight sending off criteria at all, but due to recklessness certainly justifiably a second yellow card could/should have been issued.

I agree that it should have been a 2nd yellow.
 
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teedee

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The officiating was right actually - it's just a stupid rule. Football isn't like Rugby where 'advantage' is played and then play is brought back if no advantage occurs. In football, once advantage is played it's done deal whatever happens next. That could do with changing IMO.

That's not quite right about the advantage clause. That was the way it used to be, but now:

ADVANTAGE
  • allows play to continue when an offence occurs and the non-offending team will benefit from the advantage and penalises the offence if the anticipated advantage does not ensue at that time or within a few seconds
 

Ronwol196061

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I dont think JM is making 'excuses'. He is blaming the players for what was effectively giving up. Which they did.

We were ok upto the incident and Sheffield were nowhere to be seen. Weak mentality as a group collective. Even captain fantastic didnt rally the troops.
Dont agree he whines every game he doesnt do well in.Used to be refs,now its VAR.
Never ever says its him.Reminds you of someone?
 

TheHoddleWaddle

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Dont agree he whines every game he doesnt do well in.Used to be refs,now its VAR.
Never ever says its him.Reminds you of someone?
The mrs!

Generally, my view of JM is that he just says it as it is. Be it about the team or individuals.

The football is a bit boring, but he is trying to stop the rot. Not sure what else he can do with the tools he has.
 

double0

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Mourinho is partially correct in shifting blame to the player (does he ever take responsibility?) ...they've been pampered far too long. Clearly not as good as they believe. Mourinho though is being paid a hell of a lot of money to get these players to a respectable standard, that hasn't been done by his part he also hasn't dealt at all well with Ndombele our record signing. Imo his been treated poorly by our club the support was all left to Sessoko.
 

rupsmith

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Well I think he said pretty clearly that he didn’t want to make excuses. It’s just his explanation for why we lost the game - our shoulders sagged when that decision went against us.
 

Ronwol196061

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The mrs!

Generally, my view of JM is that he just says it as it is. Be it about the team or individuals.

The football is a bit boring, but he is trying to stop the rot. Not sure what else he can do with the tools he has.

You can stop the rot by attacking,by creating.He doesnt undesamtand Ndombeles creativity and Skipp is a better bet than Winks
 

stormfly

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Except that Levy has public announced he has no money for transfers unlike existing players are sold. That makes Jose a bad fit, if there's no money for him.

If this is actually true, Jose should just say ok sell Kane, Son, N’dombele, Dele as I need money to buy some prime players in their 30s. I’m sure Levy would find some money then.
 
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