Mourinho berates defensive mistakes at Norwich

[mawspurs]

José Mourinho lambasted his defence for their mistakes after Tottenham were twice forced to come from behind in their 2-2 draw against Norwich City at Carrow Road.

Source: Guardian

 

[tiger666]

Good. It's nice to have a manager that doesn't gloss over and sugar coat things in interviews.

 

[bigspurs]

Hardly a lambasting, but he didn’t try to cover for them. He’s probably as frustrated as the rest of us with these repeated, individual errors, perpetrated by the same players, time after time again.

 

[CowInAComa]

Jose with a Transfer window message to Levy.

Get Aurier and Foyth out please. Awful players. We need a decent left and right back desperately.

 

[John48]

He's right & it's not the 1st time this season we've gifted the opposition goals. MU away, L'Pool away come to mind.

The games hard enough without gifting the opposition good opportunities to score.

 

[greywizard2020]

Agreed we need more defensive players in the next window, if possible. Vertonghen should have been caught on camera praying to the VAR gods when Pukki's goal was ruled out; his positioning & desire to get back were a disgrace. Foyth, in my opinion, recovered himself to a degree after his error. The back 3 doesn't work for us & we really look stunted, perhaps even more (if that's possible) when we're in that formation. Looked a lot better with a back 4 & Sessegnon at LB.

Jan, along with Aurier, Dier, Wanyama & Rose should be shipped out in the new year. I'd like to see us try for a RB & a DM in the forthcoming window. I'd have loved Sami Khedira, but he's out until March, thats a non-starter. I believe that Kalvin Phillips at Leeds United would be a good fit; he's young, capable & English. Arturo Vidal would also be a solid experienced figure to sit in front of the defence thus allowing the likes of Ndombele, or Winks play as the 8

I understand there's been clamour for Youcef Atal, but he's going to be out significant period of time with recovery following knee surgery, therefore, I have not the foggiest who could come close to doing what TAA does for Liverpool?

 

[tcyrus]

Foyth was actually played well

Jose with a Transfer window message to Levy.

Get Aurier and Foyth out please. Awful players. We need a decent left and right back desperately.

Foyth played well, apart from when he was fouled for the goal, and it was a foul, as for Aurier
he has got to go !

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Agreed we need more defensive players in the next window, if possible...

To you and everyone else who has posted similar views:

We may or may not need "more defensive players", although that's a rather ambiguous phrase . But it's highly unlikely we will be getting them in January. Mourinho has repeatedly insisted that what he needs is not more players, it is time to work properly with the players he already has. He may be lying, but I doubt it.

Once he has had time to work with the defence, he can see whether the problems are organisational and mental or are ineradicable without new personnel. Having insisted loudly and repeatedly that he is happy with the squad, it's hard to see him turning up in Levy's office next week with a list of three ready-to-go £50m defenders we should be signing in January.

If he hasn't been able to sort out the problems by May, then we can expect some defensively-minded players to arrive next summer. And some to leave. All the people who are demanding that we sign mature, top-class defenders in January are just setting themselves up for disappointment - even if such players were available in January, which they usually aren't.

 

[tcyrus]

To you and everyone else who has posted similar views:

We may or may not need "more defensive players", although that's a rather ambiguous phrase . But it's highly unlikely we will be getting them in January. Mourinho has repeatedly insisted that what he needs is not more players, it is time to work properly with the players he already has. He may be lying, but I doubt it.

Once he has had time to work with the defence, he can see whether the problems are organisational and mental or are ineradicable without new personnel. Having insisted loudly and repeatedly that he is happy with the squad, it's hard to see him turning up in Levy's office next week with a list of three ready-to-go £50m defenders we should be signing in January.

If he hasn't been able to sort out the problems by May, then we can expect some defensively-minded players to arrive next summer. And some to leave. All the people who are demanding that we sign mature, top-class defenders in January are just setting themselves up for disappointment - even if such players were available in January, which they usually aren't.

so basically your saying , where upstream without a paddle.

 

[parj]

I would go with both FBs at Norwich. We need energy and determination

 

[Spurs 1961]

Foyth was actually played well

Foyth played well, apart from when he was fouled for the goal, and it was a foul, as for Aurier
he has got to go !

anyone who thinks Foyth is a bad player is so way off the mark. Inexperienced, young, still to learn yes but he is actually a very good footballer. Like manySouth Americans he wants the ball and wants to do something with it. What he needs to learn is when and where. But he is a player I think with Sanchez could be the heart of our defence for many years ... as well as for Argentina where he is a regular already.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

so basically your saying , where upstream without a paddle.

The paddle arrives in June.

In the meantime, I think Mourinho is probably correct that he can improve the ability of the existing oarsmen to steer the boat.

Alderweireld, Vertonghen and Sanchez didn't all suddenly turn into players who cannot concentrate and lack technique. What they mainly lack is protection.

Vertonghen needs to adjust his style to his increased age - and he shouldn't be having to do it at left back, which exposes his decreased pace in a way that wouldn't be so in his usual position. Davies will return soon. He's a steady defender.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

anyone who thinks Foyth is a bad player is so way off the mark. Inexperienced, young, still to learn yes but he is actually a very good footballer. Like manySouth Americans he wants the ball and wants to do something with it. What he needs to learn is when and where. But he is a player I think with Sanchez could be the heart of our defence for many years ... as well as for Argentina where he is a regular already.

I'm predisposed to agree with you, but Foyth is making it difficult. His problems are not about his technique, which is formidable, nor about his physique, which is maturing. They're about his decision-making and mentality. He's been at Tottenham for more than two years. He's still making exactly the same kind and number and severity of bad decisions as he was when he arrived.

I also suspect his mistakes are the product of a kind of obstinacy that doesn't bode well for his development. He often tries to dribble his way out of situations that call for a basic clearance. It's OK to try that, but he won't admit he was wrong in the moment and just fucking hoof the thing. He insists on dribbling until he proves his point to himself or loses the ball. And he does it in every part of the pitch, apparently unable to anticipate the consequence of failure. Which is often a goal.

Yes, Juan, you have great technique. We can see that. Now please just bloody clear the ball.

I don't see any of those problems in Sanchez. He makes mistakes, but they don't form repetitive patterns. He learns.

 

[thelak]

I'm predisposed to agree with you, but Foyth is making it difficult. His problems are not about his technique, which is formidable, nor about his physique, which is maturing. They're about his decision-making and mentality. He's been at Tottenham for more than two years. He's still making exactly the same kind and number and severity of bad decisions as he was when he arrived.

I also suspect his mistakes are the product of a kind of obstinacy that doesn't bode well for his development. He often tries to dribble his way out of situations that call for a basic clearance. It's OK to try that, but he won't admit he was wrong in the moment and just fucking hoof the thing. He insists on dribbling until he proves his point to himself or loses the ball. And he does it in every part of the pitch, apparently unable to anticipate the consequence of failure. Which is often a goal.

Yes, Juan, you have great technique. We can see that. Now please just bloody clear the ball.

I don't see any of those problems in Sanchez. He makes mistakes, but they don't form repetitive patterns. He learns.

Would agree with all of this. For me he lacks the sixth sense of danger that top quality CBs have. Every situation seems the same to him and he hasnt shown any ability to weigh up the risk reward of trying to dribble out vs. moving the ball out of danger

Whether that is something that can be coached into you or not im not sure as most top class CB's I have seen had that abilty to sense danger early on in their careers and it was their positioning, concentration etc. that they needed to wok on - which are some of the issues Sanchez has been caught out with but I am much more confident he can iron them out of his game

As you say its the reptitive patterns and mistakes. We arent running a finishing school here and personally dont think we have the luxury of letting him mature when its costing us so much

Personally I had hoped the Bournmouth game and then some summer growing up with Argentina would see him step up - early indications are that hasnt happened

 

[slartibartfast]

To he fair to him its hard to improve when you dont play!
But agree with most of the above.
Could be when he finally is getting a chance he's trying too hard and fkin up.

 

[double0]

Aurier was poor along with Vertonghen Toby but nobody should blame him for Norwich's second goal. Alderweireld was the guilty player.

 

[14/04/91]

Foyth just isn’t reacting to situations well enough for my liking.
Norwich (like most teams) were pressing from the front and trying to give us no time on the ball; he should’ve realised this from the first few minutes. Yet 18 mins in he gets caught out.

It’s no exaggeration to say he’s been at fault for goals in the majority of games he’s played but the worst part is they’re generally so avoidable.

He needs to prove he can concentrate and understand the game. Know when he may have time & when he doesn’t. Failing that, he will have no future at the club.

 

[jonnyrotten]

Jose with a Transfer window message to Levy.

Get Aurier and Foyth out please. Awful players. We need a decent left and right back desperately.

Just to let you know i think your idea of selling Foyth is a shit one.

 

[CowInAComa]

Just to let you know i think your idea of selling Foyth is a shit one.

That's right, Spurs can never have enough defenders who can't actually defend, and make needless mistakes every single game.

Do you work for our scouting team? Send your CV in if not.

 

[Reece]

I'm predisposed to agree with you, but Foyth is making it difficult. His problems are not about his technique, which is formidable, nor about his physique, which is maturing. They're about his decision-making and mentality. He's been at Tottenham for more than two years. He's still making exactly the same kind and number and severity of bad decisions as he was when he arrived.

I also suspect his mistakes are the product of a kind of obstinacy that doesn't bode well for his development. He often tries to dribble his way out of situations that call for a basic clearance. It's OK to try that, but he won't admit he was wrong in the moment and just fucking hoof the thing. He insists on dribbling until he proves his point to himself or loses the ball. And he does it in every part of the pitch, apparently unable to anticipate the consequence of failure. Which is often a goal.

Yes, Juan, you have great technique. We can see that. Now please just bloody clear the ball.

I don't see any of those problems in Sanchez. He makes mistakes, but they don't form repetitive patterns. He learns.

I agree with this analysis. This is why the comparison between John Stones and Foyth is so accurate to me. The same patterns and issues recurring over and over - it’s self-indulgent ‘defending’ and I can’t abide it.