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Personally I don’t think Aaron’s the future for us at right back, his physique is a major drawback Imo , but I don’t think any of this will be relevant as we won’t offer anywhere near what Norwich will be asking
 

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I don't like Aarons size tbh. Do you think opposition players will get scared to see Max Aarons? I dont think so ... I think we want HG options in our full back positions at any cost, that's why we want Max Aarons among other options ...

Aaron Wan-Bissaka's size is perfect for Right back ...
 

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Thanks for that- Stats can be deceiving.
My concern is how he can operate both in attack and defence- I haven’t seen an analysis of him in terms of assists etc ( which as we know is another key part of a fullbacks role these days), but I know he doesn’t compare favourably to Trent, Ricardo or even Serge in that regard.
Would you place him in the top 10rbs in the PL?
He creates more big chances than Serge, his crossing rate is much higher(23% to 16%), and his xA is the 2nd best in the league for defender. In fact he's the biggest underperformer of xA while Serge is biggest overperformer of xA.
 
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emiley heskey

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He creates more big chances than Serge, his crossing rate is much higher(23% to 16%), and his xA is the 2nd best in the league for defender. In fact he's the biggest underperformer of xA while Serge is biggest overperformer of xA.


What does xA mean?
 

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Personally I don’t think Aaron’s the future for us at right back, his physique is a major drawback Imo , but I don’t think any of this will be relevant as we won’t offer anywhere near what Norwich will be asking

I don't like Aarons size tbh. Do you think opposition players will get scared to see Max Aarons? I dont think so ... I think we want HG options in our full back positions at any cost, that's why we want Max Aarons among other options ...

Aaron Wan-Bissaka's size is perfect for Right back ...

At 5'10 that ain't half bad for a RB. TAA and Kyle Walker are about the same height. I think TAA is 5'0. He's only nineteen yrs old. Feed him right and the correct exercise will help him grow more muscular wise. Kyle Walker came to us young and had a season away on loan. Turned out to be one of the best RB we've had and England had in a long time.
 

mr ashley

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It's hard to say tbh. Take TAA for an example; he has the backing of Keita/Milner to let him make his forward runs, but his defensively position is not that great but bare in mind that they have VVD and Gomez running a tight ship at the back. That helps out a lot for him.

With the right signings CB and DM, Aarons can be a better attacking fullback. It's not easy being both attacking and defensively
You're right- and comparing Aarons or other players in a struggling team to Trent or any player at the top of the league is going to muddy the waters because the context is different.
In the end, I’ll support whoever we sign, and want them to do well as it reflects well on our scouting dept. I want us to be the team that has the best scouting, find the talent and develop it.
 

emiley heskey

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At 5'10 that ain't half bad for a RB. TAA and Kyle Walker are about the same height. I think TAA is 5'0. He's only nineteen yrs old. Feed him right and the correct exercise will help him grow more muscular wise. Kyle Walker came to us young and had a season away on loan. Turned out to be one of the best RB we've had and England had in a long time.

According to wiki Max Aarons is 5'8 ... Not 5'10 ..
 

DiVaio

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What does xA mean?
Expected assists measures the likelihood that a pass will be a primary assist. The model is based on the finishing location of the pass, what type of pass it was and a variety of other factors. This model is not reliant on whether a shot was taken from this pass, so credits all passes, regardless of whether they result in a shot.
 

mr ashley

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He creates 0,22 big chances per 90, compared to Serge with 0,16 per 90.
His crosing accuracy is 23%, compared to Serge with 16%

He creates more big chances than Serge, his crossing rate is much higher(23% to 16%), and his xA is the 2nd best in the league for defender. In fact he's the biggest underperformer of xA while Serge is biggest overperformer of xA.
Wow ok thank you.
My analysis started (and stopped) with a glance at the league table (goals conceded) and the Fantasy PL stats, so all I knew was that he’d had 2 assists.
It’s funny how stats can paint a different picture.

Does xA mean he created a chance, but the teammate missed it ( or words to that effect?). Whenever I’ve watched him this season, I’ve never seen him cross it.
 

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Underperformer in xA means Aarons meant to have more assist but their forwards missed it and overperformer for xA means Serge Aurier meant to have less assist but Spurs forwards finishing were better?
 

DiVaio

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Wow ok thank you.
My analysis started (and stopped) with a glance at the league table (goals conceded) and the Fantasy PL stats, so all I knew was that he’d had 2 assists.
It’s funny how stats can paint a different picture.

Does xA mean he created a chance, but the teammate missed it ( or words to that effect?). Whenever I’ve watched him this season, I’ve never seen him cross it.
Yes, missed/scored.

Underperformer in xA means Aarons meant to have more assist but their forwards missed it and overperformer for xA means Serge Aurier meant to have less assist but Spurs forwards finishing were better?
Exactly that, for example Aurier against United had an assist for Bergwijn goal but his xA was only 0.08(as no-one expected this pass to end as a assist). Meanwhile for Aarons I saw some sitters missed from his passes.
 

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If KWP had made that small error that led to Welbecks goal everyone would have been saying "see, not good enough".

I think the only real difference with the 2 of them is that Aarons has more first team experience. Maybe Aarons is slightly quicker and stronger but not by much.

I've watched Aarons closely in their past 2 games, think we need to do a lot better if we have any ambition for next season.
We don’t.
 

mr ashley

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Yes, missed/scored.


Exactly that, for example Aurier against United had an assist for Bergwijn goal but his xA was only 0.08(as no-one expected this pass to end as a assist). Meanwhile for Aarons I saw some sitters missed from his passes.
Brilliant. It’s probably a good thing this kind of analysis didn’t exist back in the 90s, when we had players like Ginola crossing for Armstrong
 

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At 5'10 that ain't half bad for a RB. TAA and Kyle Walker are about the same height. I think TAA is 5'0. He's only nineteen yrs old. Feed him right and the correct exercise will help him grow more muscular wise. Kyle Walker came to us young and had a season away on loan. Turned out to be one of the best RB we've had and England had in a long time.

He's not 5'10, Jamal Lewis is 5'10! TAA is 5'9, KW 5,10

He's about 5'7 at most
 

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He's not 5'10, Jamal Lewis is 5'10! TAA is 5'9, KW 5,10

He's about 5'7 at most

Yeah, he probably is. Not easy knowing what’s fake news on the Internet these days. But fact is, he’s not that far off walker and TAA
 

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He’s showing as 5’10 on Wikipedia unless someone on here has been playing silly buggers and changed it to that following earlier discussion lol.
 

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He’s showing as 5’10 on Wikipedia unless someone on here has been playing silly buggers and changed it to that following earlier discussion lol.

I'm not being heightist but I think Max is responsible!

It is pretty clear in pictures he's not as tall as his left back team-mate who is also listed as 5'10.
 
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